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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 29, 2014 1:32:59 GMT 5
And why is a structure that is in current indisposition but can be fxed by repair better than one that is in current indisposition but will fix itself through ontogeny? who exactly decised what is ethically relevant? Justfying ethical foundations is hard and mostly concerns contrasting thought experiments so as to clarify how our moral intuitions collide and which are more fundamental. The complete case for my ethical position would probably be too much to lay out in this venue, though I plan on doing it somewhere else some time. A very crude summary why we should exactly concern ourselves with conscious beings as (unfortunately not completely) defined above, is that they have several vital properties, that each for themselves are universally regarded as valuable and which resonate deeply with myself. These properties include memories, creativity, personality, emotions and several others. All of these properties are missing to a certain extent in the early stages of ontogeny. So in a sense I made the decision for myself, but I am willing to argue in a very broad framework that most people with somewhat similar properties to me should make a similar decision. Certainty is not likely to be important in your current decision process. I can give a thought experiment as to why: Suppose there is a complication during pregnancy. This complication poses no threat to the mother. But because of the complication the fetus has 50% chance of dying before it develops sufficient consciousness. My model of your moral intuitions suggests to me that you are against aborting this fetus, even though it is a process that does not produce consciousness with certainty. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 10:49:15 GMT 5
I'd say I'm pro-choice.
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Post by An Goldish Jade on Nov 3, 2017 12:02:25 GMT 5
I am against it totally
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Post by creature386 on Nov 6, 2017 3:37:15 GMT 5
My views are somewhat paradoxical nowadays. I find it difficult to rationally justify a position against it in my utilitarian worldview. However, I feel strongly repulsed by it on an emotional level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 9:44:19 GMT 5
I'm neutral on the issue nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 9:06:48 GMT 5
My views are somewhat paradoxical nowadays. I find it difficult to rationally justify a position against it in my utilitarian worldview. However, I feel strongly repulsed by it on an emotional level. Nobody likes the idea of abortion. You either think it's needed sometimes or you don't. |
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Post by creature386 on Jan 15, 2018 14:33:33 GMT 5
Yeah, I think that's why no-one calls themselves "pro-abortion", but "pro-choice".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 0:50:35 GMT 5
That is correct.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jun 25, 2022 0:00:15 GMT 5
The United States Supreme Court has overturned Roe v Wade, the only thing women in the U.S. had to protect their right to a safe abortion. I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it will be for women who are forced to give birth, even when A) they never planned the pregnancy and took preventative measures against one, B) it's a case of rape or incest, or C) otherwise threatens their health/life. Solely because some brainlets go "butbutbut muh fetus, butbutbut muh religion".
This decision is 50% flabbergasting, the other 50% foreseeable (which just makes it sadder). And 100% infuriating.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 25, 2022 22:51:52 GMT 5
Yeah, I've been following this debacle for a while and it was really foreseeable that it would end that way. Guess Trump is happy now that he successfully turned the Supreme Court into a pro-America power instrument. (Well, I looked at the news and he really is. Predictably so.)
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Post by Life on Jun 27, 2022 2:54:23 GMT 5
I am OK with conditional abortion: due to rape (or) due to life-threatening pregnancy complications (it is important to consult a doctor in this regard).
I am NOT OK with unconditional abortion. When you choose to have sex outside wedlock, understand the risks and take precautions. No room for excuses in this matter.
It is important to teach people to respect life, and to be made accountable for their actions.
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Post by malikc6 on Jul 1, 2022 9:06:25 GMT 5
I've always been pro choice. Primarily on the subject of rape or ectopic pregnancies'. Regardless on how one feels about abortion morally, by illegalizing it, it only leads to a black marketing business. This will indirectly lead to more problems long term. Humans are NOT morally perfect beings, and cannot ever be due to how subjective and complicated morality is.
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