Abortion

[Vodmeister]

Now, first I would like to clarify that I am pro-choice. I believe that a woman should have the right to abort a baby if she wants to. A fetus doesn't have a nervous system.

However, when I read this, I was beyond disgusted:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108433/Doctors-right-kill-unwanted-disabled-babies-birth-real-person-claims-Oxford-academic.html

Francesca Minerva, an Oxford professor, argues that a woman should have the right to kill an infant when it is born. Yes, a baby is not a baby unless the mother says it is.

This is the murder of babies, yet she prefers to refer to this as "after birth abortion". (maybe because it doesn't sound as bad)

The irony is that she is now receiving death threats:
www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9117804/Abortion-article-author-receives-death-threats.html

To be honest, I actually don't care if she is receiving death threats. Maybe she should be murdered, actually the word "murdered" has a bad cogitation. I prefer to use the word "many years after birth abortion".

Regardless, I am in favor of abortion in the first few months, but anyone who advocates to murder of newborn infants deserves to die themselves IMO.

[Infinity Blade]

"A baby is not a real person".

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[creature386]

A bit difficult to me. For my morals, this is some kind of murder, but I am for individual freedom, so a woman should be allowed to abort in the first few months.

[Life]

Abortion should be permitted on conditional basis, IMO.

Acceptable scenarios:-

- Pregnancy that results from rape
- Pregnancy related conditions that are life-threatening to mother

If a girl/woman is married, she shouldn't be allowed to abort without permission from husband. PERIOD.

If a girl/woman is pregnant outside wedlock, she may be allowed to abort but with heavy fine or something. However, abortion shall not be permitted at late stages.

[creature386]

I definitely agree with the above! Especially the last is a scenario where even some religiously conservative people agree.
That being said, I am still for freedom, but if I were a husband, I would not want abortion. I just don't see the point of an overly child hostile attitude, unless for not wanting to put up the effort of caring for it. The third scenario to me would be if the financial situation is too bad for a children, but I am not so sure about this. A successful child can also be seen as a way out of such a situation.

[LeopJag]

In brief the above cartoon highlights the sort of mentality of the antiabortion lobby in general... sadly they see women as like mere incubators, and once the child is born - the hell with it....

I believe that a woman should have full right of whether or not she wants to carry to full term, however i definitely agree that it shouldn't be permitted in the later stages and when a woman willingly decides to conceive and then some days later for some [insert lame excuse here] - changes her mind and decides she no longer wants it...then too bad. that is where i draw the line.

[Godzillasaurus]

Abortion is a touchy subject for me. I think it is weird, and I don't really have an opinion

I feel as if a woman should be able to abort a baby if she chooses (maybe she is unhealthy, or maybe she cannot take care of one or put it up for adoption), but it still seems odd to do so.

[theropod]

I don’t really see why a woman should not be able to put her baby up for adoption.

While I can certainly see why people are of the opinion that women should have the right to decide whether or not to carry out their baby, I have to agree with @life. Abortion should only be considered as a last option in cases of risks to the (mental or physical) health or savety.
That’s still a human being being killed for no real reason otherwise.

But there’s also a huge difference depending on the stage of the abortion, and in terms of legislature that difference should be considered. For example, why the hell is it legal (at least in some places) to abort a child up to the 6th month just because it has a disability?
If a woman wants to abort in the early stages, I surely dislike it, but I personally don’t think it should be illegalised. But something like that is plain disgusting.

[Vodmeister]

theropod
There's a big difference between adoption and abortion. If a woman doesn't want to take care of her baby and someone else does instead, fine; but absolutely no one should have the right to kill a born baby.

[theropod]

Err, that’s what I was implying.
I don’t see why women should abort when nothing keeps them from putting their children up for adoption. There are certainly enough people who want to have a child but can’t. In any case, that’s better than killing the child.

Imo a pregnancy is a damn low price to pay for the life of a child, and it is simply the consequence of getting pregnant in the first place. I am aware there must be many people who view that differently, but that’s how I view it.
That doesn’t mean one has to start threatening supporters of abortion with murder.

[creature386]

Especially given that there are nowadays even couples who want to take IVF because they are infertile. Giving such couples a child should be the best.
I wonder what to tell the child when it finds out that it was adopted though. I am sure it doesn't want to hear "You were adopted because your parents didn't want you".

[guategojira]

The human life is a gift of God, and every human, since its conception up to its natural dead, must be protected.

Abortion is just another word for murder, in fact, is the worst murder as the human baby is the only true innocent human been!

About the case of the children conceived during a rape, we most punish the rapist, not the baby. If she doesn’t want the child, put him in adoption, there are literally thousands of marriages that want a baby and they can’t have it naturally.

The “misunderstand feminism” and “the culture of dead” created the idea that the woman has the “right” over her body, but forgot completely the fact that the child is not “her” body, is a different person, with the same right to live that any other creature. Interestingly, this same type of person prefers to save a cow and eat only vegetables, instead that save the life of one of they own kind.

Do you will like to be killed just because you are a “problem” for another person? Think about this, put yourself on the baby side.

By the way, how many abortions will be avoided if there will be a culture of respect and abstinence of sex before marriage? Why this modern culture is so sodomized that can’t conceive a relation- courtship without sex? Condoms are not the answer-they will never be, but education, self-control and responsibility are the solution, maybe a hard one for some people, but possible if we actually want to do it.

[creature386]

As for the last part, I believe some people simply don't see the point of the abstinence (I am only semi-religious, but I can personally see the point of it, I have a blog entry about it). There are even Christians who are 100% convinced that there is a God, but don't want to follow this because they can't wait so long. Maybe it's also the "You are a loser if you can't get laid as quick as possible" philosophy, who knows, I don't want to speculate so much about it.
Anyway, I disagree with "Sodomization" being the reason for a greater amount of children. Countries like the Republic of Niger are religiously conservative (therefore no sex before marriage), but the women there get like seven children on average compared to the two which the average American woman gets. Also, I don't really see where you get the notion from that feminists are vegetarians, these are different things.

I agree with your moral views on the baby life tho.

[theropod]

I don’t want to engage in a "should people have sex before marriage"-debate, frankly because I find the question utterly irrelevant. Abortions don’t just happen as a result of teenage pregnancies, and a married couple will not necessarily be more capable of raising, or willing to raise, a child than a non-married couple.

There is nothing sodomized about having sex (given I understand the word correctly), in fact it is perhaps the most natural behaviour humans show at all. Luckily that doesn’t equal having a baby in nowadays. A much bigger problem is imo that there are people who condemn the use of contraceptives, which is likely responsible for a fair number of abortions.

[guategojira]

Jun 10, 2014 13:40:26 GMT 5 creature386 said:

As for the last part, I believe some people simply don't see the point of the abstinence (I am only semi-religious, but I can personally see the point of it, I have a blog entry about it). There are even Christians who are 100% convinced that there is a God, but don't want to follow this because they can't wait so long. Maybe it's also the "You are a loser if you can't get laid as quick as possible" philosophy, who knows, I don't want to speculate so much about it.
Anyway, I disagree with "Sodomization" being the reason for a greater amount of children. Countries like the Republic of Niger are religiously conservative (therefore no sex before marriage), but the women there get like seven children on average compared to the two which the average American woman gets. Also, I don't really see where you get the notion from that feminists are vegetarians, these are different things.

I agree with your moral views on the baby life tho.

I agree that the social oppression is also very important in this, also the constant impact of the media and the easiness to found pornography in the internet (I think that about 70% of it is pornography!). However, there are groups of young people in the Catholic Church that search to follow a culture of respect and abstinence. I mean, the first sexual relation is incredible special when you do it with the correct person, with the true love of your life and with the blessing of God. Humans were created to make love, but modern culture only wants to “mate”.

When I mention the word “sodomization”, I was trying to use a strong word to describe the modern idea that the sex is now just a show and that we must do it as weird as possible. Having sex is no longer a private and unique moment.

There are some religious opinions that still state that humans most have many kids as possible, and that is a problem in many countries, Niger is an example. However, these religious countries are very tied also to a strong idea that women are “inferior” than men, here the woman simply can’t make any opinion. That is why I strongly support the education as a good tool to correct these incorrect old ideas. By the way, Niger is a Muslim country, and this religion is known for its brutality, in ANY form.

Finally, I never say that ALL feminist are vegetarians and that ALL vegetarians are feminist, but you must accept the fact, the most of these radical feminist groups are also vegetarians. Coincidence? Maybe yes, maybe not.