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Post by velesoid on Feb 17, 2020 18:24:53 GMT 5
900 kg is not an AVERAGE for buffalo either and i mean, compare and use your eyes How do you know teh larger Buffalow as 30% heavier? Buffalo fighting is mainly shoving and goring, that's why they have that boss on their skulls. It's one of the reasons people though pachycephalosaurs were headbangers. >Cites a video of bulls NOT HURTING EACHOTHER HEADON in response to buffalo doing the sameBig kek are you dumb or? there is a big difference between two buffalos lazily pushing one another around and two bulls activelly charging to ram each other head on |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 17, 2020 18:25:56 GMT 5
Why would you use intraspecific conflict to show that the horns are "horribly placed"? of course they aren't going to gore each other and risk injury to themselves. uh, except they are? the larger buffalo tries multiple times to stab the smaller one in the chest and neck area but fails |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 17, 2020 19:19:49 GMT 5
Have you seen what they do to lions? Cape buffalo can do serious damage with their horns when they're fully intent on doing so.
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Post by TheLionBoy on Feb 17, 2020 20:25:46 GMT 5
A cape with his horn can rip open a lion
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Post by kekistani on Feb 17, 2020 23:07:57 GMT 5
are you dumb or? there is a big difference between two buffalos lazily pushing one another around and two bulls activelly charging to ram each other head on Or, you know, that's how they do combat, at least in that scenario. Just because they don't do that in one case does not mean they can't. Seems pretty active to me
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 18, 2020 1:36:10 GMT 5
There's also this (45:44 to 45:51). Cape buffaloes have some of the best horns of all bovids:
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 18, 2020 6:00:16 GMT 5
Why would you use intraspecific conflict to show that the horns are "horribly placed"? of course they aren't going to gore each other and risk injury to themselves. uh, except they are? the larger buffalo tries multiple times to stab the smaller one in the chest and neck area but fails "uh" i wonder if you can tell the people they gore to death that buffalo have poorly placed horns? Considering the fact you just got here it might not be the best idea to be saying stupid stuff like this. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 18, 2020 21:07:28 GMT 5
uh, except they are? the larger buffalo tries multiple times to stab the smaller one in the chest and neck area but fails "uh" i wonder if you can tell the people they gore to death that buffalo have poorly placed horns? Considering the fact you just got here it might not be the best idea to be saying stupid stuff like this. i wonder if you understand the difference between goring a human which is several times smaller in volume than even smallest of bulls and whom the buffalo can get in a prime position by either stabbing from underneath or pressing against the ground and goring...and a bull to which it cannot do either too. and iberian fighting bull was recorded killing a 1200 pound grizzly bear in a staged fight, the grizzly was 200 pounds heavier than it. a bear that large would turn lion into a cat chowder. There was also a Case in which a Lion fought a Grizzly bear that ended in a tie so there was a 14 day recovery period, Then they made a Bull fight a bear In which it WON because it killed the bear before the bear could be saved. The Bull then had a 1 WEEK recovery period. Then, it fought the LION in which it BROKE IT'S SPINE and was unable too walk, it had too drag itself into it's cage. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 18, 2020 21:15:36 GMT 5
"uh" i wonder if you can tell the people they gore to death that buffalo have poorly placed horns? Considering the fact you just got here it might not be the best idea to be saying stupid stuff like this. i wonder if you understand the difference between goring a human which is several times smaller in volume than even smallest of bulls and whom the buffalo can get in a prime position by either stabbing from underneath or pressing against the ground and goring...and a bull to which it cannot do either too. It would also be good to highlight the fact that the buffalo here has no size advantage. Bothma and Rooyan (2005) wrote average weights for African buffalo: bulls over the age of 10.5 years in Serengeti weigh 690 kg (1,521 lbs), and cows over the age of 12.5 years weigh 454 kg (1,001 lbs). The heaviest bull ever weighed in Kruger was 802 kg (1,768 lbs). While this specific breed of fighting bull goes from anywhere around 600 to some champions being over 800 kg. |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 18, 2020 21:20:41 GMT 5
i wonder if you understand the difference between goring a human which is several times smaller in volume than even smallest of bulls and whom the buffalo can get in a prime position by either stabbing from underneath or pressing against the ground and goring...and a bull to which it cannot do either too. It would also be good to highlight the fact that the buffalo here has no size advantage. Bothma and Rooyan (2005) wrote average weights for African buffalo: bulls over the age of 10.5 years in Serengeti weigh 690 kg (1,521 lbs), and cows over the age of 12.5 years weigh 454 kg (1,001 lbs). The heaviest bull ever weighed in Kruger was 802 kg (1,768 lbs). While this specific breed of fighting bull goes from anywhere around 600 to some champions being over 800 kg. Given that the buffalo here is listed to be up to 900 pounds, that is the roof we are using. Unless averages don't suit your comparisons for specific fights only, that is. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 18, 2020 21:23:41 GMT 5
It would also be good to highlight the fact that the buffalo here has no size advantage. Bothma and Rooyan (2005) wrote average weights for African buffalo: bulls over the age of 10.5 years in Serengeti weigh 690 kg (1,521 lbs), and cows over the age of 12.5 years weigh 454 kg (1,001 lbs). The heaviest bull ever weighed in Kruger was 802 kg (1,768 lbs). While this specific breed of fighting bull goes from anywhere around 600 to some champions being over 800 kg. Given that the buffalo here is listed to be up to 900 pounds, that is the roof we are using. Unless averages don't suit your comparisons for specific fights only, that is. roof is not average. the same way 900+ kg fighting bulls very much exist but are not average |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 18, 2020 22:58:04 GMT 5
Given that the buffalo here is listed to be up to 900 pounds, that is the roof we are using. Unless averages don't suit your comparisons for specific fights only, that is. roof is not average. the same way 900+ kg fighting bulls very much exist but are not average Exactly. But the weights shown here are the weights used for the fight. In this case the buffalo DOES have a size advantage. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 18, 2020 23:02:08 GMT 5
The buffalo is slightly larger - 700 vs 750 kg. I do believe it's also more heavily built, so it might be a bit more powerful.
However, the bull's greater agility and speed make up for that. This is as far as you can get from a mismatch.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 18, 2020 23:08:52 GMT 5
roof is not average. the same way 900+ kg fighting bulls very much exist but are not average Exactly. But the weights shown here are the weights used for the fight. In this case the buffalo DOES have a size advantage. the weights are INCORRECT. OP is not a word of god we all have to suddenly follow forward facing horns are an advantage too, as is the fact bull is a game bred animal willing to fight to death. i just cannot see a baffalo willingly engaging a formidable ursid larger than it like the bull did. 50 kg is just not gonna make up for that |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 18, 2020 23:14:24 GMT 5
Exactly. But the weights shown here are the weights used for the fight. In this case the buffalo DOES have a size advantage. Doesn't matter. Cape buffalo can reach OVER 900KG. The weights shown are what are used. I don't see you complaining about near maximum-maximum sizes versus averages anywhere else. And yet there are photos in this thread of buffalo engaging Rhinoceros, which are certainly larger and more powerful than any bear. |
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