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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 15, 2015 4:56:03 GMT 5
Change in attitude from the general population in the last two decades:  Between age groups:  Based on political parties:  |
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 15, 2015 4:56:20 GMT 5
I thought that this chart was the most telling:  |
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 15, 2015 6:25:32 GMT 5
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Post by creature386 on Feb 15, 2015 16:42:18 GMT 5
Interesting.
So much for the stereotype of homophobic Americans.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 9, 2015 20:01:07 GMT 5
Bump.  EDIT: Just to make that clear, I didn't mean to offend anyone, I just found this kind of amusing. |
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Post by Grey on Jun 9, 2015 22:08:41 GMT 5
Against. No need to be homophobic or religious fundamentalist to be against. Just to be attached to some landmarks and asking some questions : what's next ? Is it really what we call progress ? From a marxist viewpoint, certainly not.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 9, 2015 23:32:18 GMT 5
By the same logic, childless heterosexual couples make no sense. Also, not everything that exists needs to have an evolutionary purpose. Homosexuality could as well be a result of genetical defects and as it is not really harmful, I don't have an actual problem with it.
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Post by theropod on Jun 10, 2015 0:14:12 GMT 5
People should be allowed to what they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone (and this definitely doesn’t). And yes, that actually is what I'd call progress.
I don’t claim to understand it, but what point is there in keeping people who want to marry from doing so? Satisfying conservative or religious beliefs that should have no part in politics anyway?
We obviously shouldn’t only do what is good from an evolutionary point of view or "natural" (though unnatural isn’t really a fitting term, there are same-sex couples in many animals, not just humans), otherwise, should we prevent people with inheritable imperfections from reproducing?
Regardless of how sensible that would appear to certain people from a purely biological perspective (it obviously isn’t, but I don’t just mean such extremes), that wouldn’t be a society I’d want to live in.
Also is it natural to play computer games? Or to use counterceptives? Should those also be prohibited? There are tons of behaviours that do not really seem useful from an evolutionary perspective, including ones that stand in the way of reproduction.
Now as I once said, I don't find marriage nearly as important or downright holy as some others (it is a symbolic gesture, a nice preformatted administrative solution, but it's not really necessary for anything), but if people want to do it, on what authority does anyone have the right to deny it to them?
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Post by creature386 on Jul 1, 2015 18:30:02 GMT 5
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Post by Cross on Oct 2, 2015 11:26:48 GMT 5
Question : Can the arguments used to support gay marriage be also used to support incest? Honest question and I'm not trying to sound like an a**hole.
I.E Both are seen as taboo, but neither cause any harm to anyone who isn't involved (barring STDs and such), two people who love each other is the scenario. It's taboo, not the traditional method of partnership, but still, they love each other and won't be harming anyone, right?
This question entered my mind after being part of a Game of Thrones discussion a few weeks ago, and since GoT features a lot of incest, homosexuality, polygamy etc, I couldn't help but wonder. Would anyone kindly enlighten me on this?
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 2, 2015 11:34:55 GMT 5
Question : Can the arguments used to support gay marriage be also used to support incest? Honest question and I'm not trying to sound like an a**hole. I.E Both are seen as taboo, but neither cause any harm to anyone who isn't involved (barring STDs and such), two people who love each other is the scenario. It's taboo, not the traditional method of partnership, but still, they love each other and won't be harming anyone, right? This question entered my mind after being part of a Game of Thrones discussion a few weeks ago, and since GoT features a lot of incest, homosexuality, polygamy etc, I couldn't help but wonder. Would anyone kindly enlighten me on this? Seeing as incest can actually lead to reproduction that causes genetic defects it's not the same thing. |
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Post by Cross on Oct 2, 2015 11:37:15 GMT 5
Question : Can the arguments used to support gay marriage be also used to support incest? Honest question and I'm not trying to sound like an a**hole. I.E Both are seen as taboo, but neither cause any harm to anyone who isn't involved (barring STDs and such), two people who love each other is the scenario. It's taboo, not the traditional method of partnership, but still, they love each other and won't be harming anyone, right? This question entered my mind after being part of a Game of Thrones discussion a few weeks ago, and since GoT features a lot of incest, homosexuality, polygamy etc, I couldn't help but wonder. Would anyone kindly enlighten me on this? Seeing as incest can actually lead to reproduction that causes genetic defects it's not the same thing. Does that explain why Joffrey Lannister is a psycho? |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 2, 2015 13:07:09 GMT 5
Seeing as incest can actually lead to reproduction that causes genetic defects it's not the same thing. Does that explain why Joffrey Lannister is a psycho? That's fiction but it's heavily implied by George R.R. Martin and the targaryens are stated to often insane because of practising incest but again that's fiction so it can only be loosly applied to real life. |
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Post by Grey on Oct 3, 2015 5:14:45 GMT 5
Incest legalization will come, at least will be proposed, just as the merchandising of adopted children by surrogacy, that's the logical sequence of the gay marriage. Our Western civilisation really starts to be decadent.
Yes guys, we can be a science enthusiast but a conservative from a societal standpoint. Being scientific doesn't mean to hate religion, institution and take everything as "progress" as long as it comes from the left-wing.
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Post by creature386 on Oct 3, 2015 15:39:35 GMT 5
If incest is going to follow gay marriage or not has little bearing on to what extent they are the same thing.
Besides, claiming that if one embraces a liberal standpoint he must embrace all is a serious strawman (same with liberals hating religion or institutions; I don't care about the religious beliefs of scientists as long as they are no fundies BTW). I for instance have many liberal viewpoints, but I have rather conservative viewpoints on for example abortion. Lastly, I could also say that if no taboos are allowed to be broken (strawmanish as heck, but whatever), we may also return to times where interracial marriage was illegal. Picking positive examples of progress works as well as picking negative ones.
Sorry, but this is really becoming polemical.
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