blaze
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Post by blaze on Feb 5, 2014 9:11:22 GMT 5
I could only find a paper mentioning osteoderms and a website that suggests the species was named in
"Pilgrim, G.E., 1908. The tertiary and post-tertiary fresh-water deposits of Baluchistan and Sind, with notices of new vertebrates. Records of the Geological Survey of India 37, 139–166."
That's it, given how the species, if this is true, was named over 100 years ago I wouldn't trust it being actually part of Crocodylus.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 13, 2014 8:49:42 GMT 5
Here's a pic of the supposed 13 meter crocodilian from the Titanoboa: Monster Snake "documentary" (documentary is in quotation marks, as it was so horrible that I dare not call it one).  They also show a single vertebra from it. Would be awesome if there really was such a giant crocodilian (I'm guessing a dyrosaurid) from Paleocene Cerrejon. |
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Post by blaze on Feb 13, 2014 10:59:36 GMT 5
That looks way bigger than 13m haha
I thing I noted is that, while scaling 6.17m and 1.1 tonnes (lolong) to 10.6m (largest Deinosuchus) yields 5.6 tonnes, we are ignoring the difference in proportions, a 10.6m Deinosuchus based on the american alligator will have alligator proportions, that's it, a tail that's less than half of the total lenght, while lolong has a tail around 54% of its total length, if we compare only the svl, its 2.85m vs 5.47m a difference of 92% in linear dimensions or 700% the mass, making the largest Deinonichus be 7.8 tonnes instead when scaled from lolong.
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Post by creature386 on Feb 13, 2014 18:10:34 GMT 5
I have a question regarding the weight of crocodiles: The wiki article said a 7 m (I changed it to 6.7 m) crocodile would weigh 2 t, do you think this is reliable?
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Post by Grey on Feb 13, 2014 23:03:30 GMT 5
So, which one is most likely the champion so far ?
Sarcosuchus ? Purussaurus ?
Aegisuchus at >15 m is really that unprobable ?
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Feb 14, 2014 0:06:50 GMT 5
I have a question regarding the weight of crocodiles: The wiki article said a 7 m (I changed it to 6.7 m) crocodile would weigh 2 t, do you think this is reliable? 1.5 metric tons would be more reasonable, but 2 is not out of the question. |
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Post by blaze on Feb 14, 2014 0:41:41 GMT 5
GreyI think Purussaurus brasilensis and Deinosuchus riograndensis are even, followed by Sarcosuchus imperator which might be or not be comparable to them depending on its build, however, if for example Deinosuchus/Purussaurus have proportionally much bigger heads (Hartman's Deinosuchus skeletal, which incorporates unpublished material, has a proportionally bigger head than a scaled up alligator) then the 3 taxa are even in size. And yes, look at the size chart, an skull that size does not belong to 10m+ crocodilian, the body will have vertebrae wider (including transverse processes) than the head, for example.
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Post by Grey on Feb 14, 2014 0:50:51 GMT 5
This is Hartma who informed you he had put unpublished data in his restoration ? Unpublished--->soon to be ?
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Post by blaze on Feb 14, 2014 7:48:26 GMT 5
GreyNot to me, but that's what he responded to others on Deviantart linkHe actually said undescribed, my bad, so who knows when it is going to get published.
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Post by fish on Feb 16, 2014 5:00:17 GMT 5
Here's a pic of the supposed 13 meter crocodilian from the Titanoboa: Monster Snake "documentary" (documentary's in quotation marks as it was so horrible, I dare not call it one). They also show a single vertebra from it. Would be awesome if there really was such a giant crocodilian (I'm guessing a dyrosaurid) from Paleocene Cerrejon. There was a giant crocodilian living along side Titanoboa, named Acherontisuchus with a skull that may have been more than 2 feet long, and it was estimated at around 20 feet. Its not a true giant like Deinosuchus, but still an impressive animal. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 16, 2014 5:19:07 GMT 5
Here's a pic of the supposed 13 meter crocodilian from the Titanoboa: Monster Snake "documentary" (documentary's in quotation marks as it was so horrible, I dare not call it one). They also show a single vertebra from it. Would be awesome if there really was such a giant crocodilian (I'm guessing a dyrosaurid) from Paleocene Cerrejon. There was a giant crocodilian living along side Titanoboa, named Acherontisuchus with a skull that may have been more than 2 feet long, and it was estimated at around 20 feet. Its not a true giant like Deinosuchus, but still an impressive animal. Yes, the same one who is thought to have competed with Titanoboa. But there was also apparently an even bigger one. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Apr 2, 2014 13:08:49 GMT 5
How large do you guys think Gustave is? www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBkPi-35QcQAt 5:30-5:37 he looks at least as massive as those hippos despite being further away from the camera, hippos average 1.2-2.0 tonnes. Also, compared to him those female crocs look like babies. Nile sows average 3.20 m (10 ft 2 in) in length, and Gustave is easily double as long as those females, not to mention exponentially bulkier with all that mass he caries around. The 20 feet (6.1 m) and 1000 kg (2,200 lb) size estimate is conservative. Gustave has a healthy set of dentin, is likely no greater than 60 years old, hence still growing. Some more liberal size estimates put him at 23 ft (7.01 m). |
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Post by mechafire on Apr 2, 2014 13:44:48 GMT 5
How large do you guys think Gustave is? www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBkPi-35QcQAt 5:30-5:37 he looks at least as massive as those hippos despite being further away from the camera, hippos average 1.2-2.0 tonnes. Also, compared to him those female crocs look like babies. Nile sows average 3.20 m (10 ft 2 in) in length, and Gustave is easily double as long as those females, not to mention exponentially bulkier with all that mass he caries around. The 20 feet (6.1 m) and 1000 kg (2,200 lb) size estimate is conservative. Gustave has a healthy set of dentin, is likely no greater than 60 years old, hence still growing. Some more liberal size estimates put him at 23 ft (7.01 m). Those hippos still look larger than the croc. One good chomp from it and no more gustave. It does look impressively huge compared to the other crocodiles though. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Apr 2, 2014 14:22:46 GMT 5
I would back a 21 foot 1.3 tonne crocodile over even a white rhino or hippo in the water, the croc could probably either drown it or continuously bite until the hippo/rhino goes into shock. This puts it below only the large elephants in the pecking order IMO.
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Post by Grey on Apr 2, 2014 15:35:40 GMT 5
It is reported that Gustave has been witnessed killing an adult hippo.
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