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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 4, 2013 1:36:48 GMT 5
How do we know time behaves like that? I can try to offer the following explanation. Under the assumption that the general theory of relativity is correct, we can extrapolate back in time. We arrive at certain initial point where space was very dense. Prior to this point spacetime would exhibit highly strange or unpredictable behavior, therefore our classical notions of time and causality might collapse at this instant. |
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Post by gigadino96 on Jun 4, 2013 18:25:20 GMT 5
I believe in God. I am convinced that there is a supreme entity that created everything.
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 4, 2013 22:17:34 GMT 5
I feel that my brain, and the collective brains of humanity can't even begin to grasp the origin of the universe, and for this reason, I choose to think that there is a god of some kind, but it isn't one of the myriad of gods humans have created. I also believe that all the phenomena that have occurred in this universe since its creation are of natural origin. Thats a non sequitur. If the origin cannot be explained, this does not automatically mean that there was some entity behind it with attributes consistent with a god. It just means we do not kno what happened. I know, I'm not saying that since we don't understand the origins of the universe there must be a god, I'm saying since we will likely NEVER be able to comprehend the origins of the universe I choose to say F*** it, there might have been a god. I feel that study into the origins of the universe, string theory and all that, is a massive waste of human resources. Our species will likely be long extinct before we have any use for such information |
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Post by theropod on Jun 4, 2013 23:33:57 GMT 5
you could say that for every study that doesn't have functional use. We do it because it is interesting and others are interested in it. Comprehending more about the origin of the universe for a physicist is like comprehending more about the functional anatomy of a spinosaur for a palaeontologist. We will never know everything, but we can learn more.
"There might have been a god" is not the same as "there is a god"
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 5, 2013 0:17:54 GMT 5
Thats a non sequitur. If the origin cannot be explained, this does not automatically mean that there was some entity behind it with attributes consistent with a god. It just means we do not kno what happened. I know, I'm not saying that since we don't understand the origins of the universe there must be a god, I'm saying since we will likely NEVER be able to comprehend the origins of the universe I choose to say F*** it, there might have been a god. I feel that study into the origins of the universe, string theory and all that, is a massive waste of human resources. Our species will likely be long extinct before we have any use for such information I am not sure why you think that the origins are necessarily beyond comprehension, it seems to me to be premature to make such a conclusion. People would have said that the origin of the the stars is beyond comprehension for millenia, nevertheless we understand them very well today. But this is besides the point. What bothers me is the cnclsion: I cannot in principle understand this event, therefore I believe a god is responsible. |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 5, 2013 1:02:55 GMT 5
I know, I'm not saying that since we don't understand the origins of the universe there must be a god, I'm saying since we will likely NEVER be able to comprehend the origins of the universe I choose to say F*** it, there might have been a god. I feel that study into the origins of the universe, string theory and all that, is a massive waste of human resources. Our species will likely be long extinct before we have any use for such information I am not sure why you think that the origins are necessarily beyond comprehension, it seems to me to be premature to make such a conclusion. People would have said that the origin of the the stars is beyond comprehension for millenia, nevertheless we understand them very well today. But this is besides the point. What bothers me is the cnclsion: I cannot in principle understand this event, therefore I believe a god is responsible. I don't believe you can understand my point, so lets stop talking. I think you have a fascination with arguing every point I make regardless of topic, so I'm done. |
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Post by theropod on Jun 5, 2013 1:23:25 GMT 5
I know, I'm not saying that since we don't understand the origins of the universe there must be a god, I'm saying since we will likely NEVER be able to comprehend the origins of the universe I choose to say F*** it, there might have been a god. I feel that study into the origins of the universe, string theory and all that, is a massive waste of human resources. Our species will likely be long extinct before we have any use for such information I am not sure why you think that the origins are necessarily beyond comprehension, it seems to me to be premature to make such a conclusion. People would have said that the origin of the the stars is beyond comprehension for millenia, nevertheless we understand them very well today. But this is besides the point. What bothers me is the cnclsion: I cannot in principle understand this event, therefore I believe a god is responsible. I agree. The same is applicable to a god being responsible; people have assumed that for millenia and have been proven wrong. |
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Post by creature386 on Jun 5, 2013 1:47:52 GMT 5
Remember that with every solved question, new questions arrive. We have solved many questions, but we have discovered a lot what brought up new questions. I once saw a documentary where the possibility of reality being a hologram (that sounds very strange, I honestly didn't quite understand it, it's very difficult to explain), you know that this would bring up many new questions.
I am quite certain the human will go long extinct before he discovers everything. We further than our relatives, but we are still far away from knowing everything. To me it even seems like new discoveries show how little we actually know. I don't try to criticize science. The opposite; it makes science quite fascinating.
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 5, 2013 5:46:58 GMT 5
Remember that with every solved question, new questions arrive. We have solved many questions, but we have discovered a lot what brought up new questions. I once saw a documentary where the possibility of reality being a hologram (that sounds very strange, I honestly didn't quite understand it, it's very difficult to explain), you know that this would bring up many new questions. I am quite certain the human will go long extinct before he discovers everything. We further than our relatives, but we are still far away from knowing everything. To me it even seems like new discoveries show how little we actually know. I don't try to criticize science. The opposite; it makes science quite fascinating. I am not so certain that e go extinct. It is also possible that we self moify and become quite impressive entities ith cosmic lifespans. |
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Post by theropod on Jun 5, 2013 17:12:02 GMT 5
^I hope we will go extinct, otherwise what we might do would be too much for one species.
@creature: Yes, the discoveries will likely never end. My point was that so far we have discovered a scientific solution for all those phenomena, no indication for a god. I don't think there is any reason to believe science will fail us. It is like with numbers, we know there are infinitely many, but we know they will just continue the same way.
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Post by Life on Jun 5, 2013 18:45:12 GMT 5
Fragillimus335Feel free to share your beliefs. Their is no need to convince anybody about anything in the matters of belief, if this makes you feel better.  B/W I believe in God too. We have very limited reach in the Universe thus far so their is enormous room for newer discoveries for us in the future. I believe that a supremely powerful and intelligent entity exists which is conducting several complex experiments ranging from space matter to life forms. The exact nature of this entity is not clear to us except that it has left signs for humans to know about its existence via its agents and some revelations.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 5, 2013 20:48:32 GMT 5
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 5, 2013 20:58:58 GMT 5
We will see about that. If e recursively self improve, we could have an intelligence explosion within decades. Within 100 years we could plausibly upload our brains to computers, attaining a first level of immortality that we could expand on once we are more powerful. |
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Post by creature386 on Jun 5, 2013 21:02:33 GMT 5
Before that we will have to solve problems like a lack of resources, rising population and rising sea levels.
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 5, 2013 21:59:10 GMT 5
Before that we will have to solve problems like a lack of resources, rising population and rising sea levels. Nope. It could be that rich and industrial nations make such transitions while others may not. The world is a cruel place. |
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