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Post by theropod on Jun 14, 2013 0:43:08 GMT 5
That is one of the reasons I think a heaven-like "paradise" is utter BS, no offense. They would have to give me some pretty hard medication in order to keep me happy there.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 14, 2013 1:25:37 GMT 5
I think that the reunion of a human body with the natural circuit after death is enough of an afterlife, no reason to come up with some sort of heaven or hades. How you will exist is an entirely different question, but if, then as a part of nature that will continue to exist, not in some isolated place as some sort of "disposable soul" There are many theories how this could look. For example some believe you will still exist as energy, or something like that. Supercommunist, we don't know how such a live would look. Words like time would have no meaning, so I don't believe we can compare it to the live on earth. |
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Post by Wyvax on Jun 14, 2013 2:22:30 GMT 5
One must wonder whether an eternal afterlife would be desirable at all. In a world with no struggle or hardships we wouldn't have any incentive to do anything. While that may seem great at first eventually once you lived several millenniums doing nothing but eating, sleeping, and things of that nature, living may start to become unbearably monotonous. If it was boring though, would it really be the perfect paradise?? The two sound counter-intuitive to me at least. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jun 14, 2013 3:41:22 GMT 5
silly you dont have a choice on whether or not you get to exist and there really is no reason for existance it just is and at the end of the day nothing you or I do will ever matter anyway so why worry about it? Live your life the way you want to because at the end of the day were all worm food. Silly you didn't understand my question! If you were born just to die and vanish from existence. Why bother living and following laws if in the end when you die you won't exist to remember or feel guilt now would you? Nope but I still dont see what your getting at? Do you really need a promised after life to not be an asshole? |
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Post by Supercommunist on Jun 14, 2013 5:15:02 GMT 5
Another problem with the theory of an eternal paradise is that people have different views on what happiness is. Therefore wouldn't multiple eternal paradises need to exist to satisfy everyone's needs?
And what about negative feelings between individuals? What would happen if two good men thought the other to be unfathomably evil and despised one another to the point where they couldn't exist happily knowing the other is enjoying eternal paradise? Or what would happen if a family was separated with some being sent to hell and others to heaven? Surely most people here couldn't be happy living in the clouds whilst one their beloved family members was burning in hell?
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 14, 2013 6:20:14 GMT 5
That is one of the reasons I think a heaven-like "paradise" is utter BS, no offense. They would have to give me some pretty hard medication in order to keep me happy there. I think no one put it more succinctly than Mark Twain: As you have seen, that singular show is a service of praise: praise by hymn, praise by prostration. It takes the
place of "church." Now then, in the earth these people
cannot stand much church -- an hour and a quarter is the
limit, and they draw the line at once a week. That is to say,
Sunday. One day in seven; and even then they do not look forward to it with longing. And so -- consider what
their heaven provides for them: "church" that lasts forever,
and a Sabbath that has no end! They quickly weary of this
brief hebdomadal Sabbath here, yet they long for that
eternal one; they dream of it, they talk about it,they
think they think they are going to enjoy it -- with all their simple
hearts they think they think they are going to be happy in it!
It is because they do not think at all; they only think they think. Whereas they can't think; not two human beings in
ten thousand have anything to think with. And as to imagination -- oh, well, look at their heaven! They
accept it, they approve it, they admire it. That gives you their intellectual measure. Source: www.cs.umd.edu/~mvz/bible/ltrs-from-earth.pdf |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 14, 2013 6:20:42 GMT 5
In my opinion, religion has done more bad than good. What are the majority of wars in the world today about? Yes, there's your answer. Religion would be fine if everyone could accept everyone else's views, but sadly, millions of people cannot.
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 14, 2013 6:36:41 GMT 5
In my opinion, religion has done more bad than good. What are the majority of wars in the world today about? Yes, there's your answer. Religion would be fine if everyone could accept everyone else's views, but sadly, millions of people cannot. It would still be wrong, violent and hateful. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jun 14, 2013 6:42:04 GMT 5
Even things like baboons think it is bad to harm infants, I highly doubt religion actually did much to change what people viewed as right or wrong.
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 14, 2013 6:51:32 GMT 5
Even things like baboons think it is bad to harm infants, I highly doubt religion actually did much to change what people viewed as right or wrong. William lane Craig disagrees. God has the right to do as it wants: |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jun 14, 2013 7:19:27 GMT 5
Even things like baboons think it is bad to harm infants, I highly doubt religion actually did much to change what people viewed as right or wrong. William lane Craig disagrees. God has the right to do as it wants: .........................*FACEPALM* |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jun 14, 2013 7:20:56 GMT 5
Why cant buddhism be more popular amoung relgious types >.>
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 14, 2013 7:27:43 GMT 5
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 14, 2013 7:29:44 GMT 5
Why cant buddhism be more popular amoung relgious types >.> Buddhism is probably the least stressed religion among all. There are about 1 billion Buddhists on this planet, but even that isn't enough in my opinion. I've met plenty of Christians and Muslims that try to shove their beliefs down your throat (not all of course, most are very good people), but I have yet to mean an extremist Buddhist. Buddha once said: "Don't believe anything I say unless it matches with your personal experience" - I'd take that over religious dictatorship any day. |
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Post by Supercommunist on Jun 14, 2013 7:51:36 GMT 5
Very few wars that have been fought were actually due to religious reasons(though it does help put fuel onto the fire) in fact many religious wars such as the crusades weren't actually fought over due to religious beliefs, but for gold and riches. Religion was just slapped on there to try and justify the wars.
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