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Post by theropod on May 1, 2014 3:39:08 GMT 5
Eagles can’t bite? This is among the funniest things ever said on this thread! Of course eagles can bite! Their beaks are superbly suited for tearing off pieces of flesh. If the cat isn’t very careful, the eagle can just claw into it and start eating…
Bobcats can use their forelimbs for grappling. So what? Eagles don’t need forelimbs for grappling, they use their hindlimbs for both grappling and killing! Bobcats can’t fly in exchange!
A badger of that size is a formidable opponent, it has both jaws and claws in its arsenal of weapons and it is flexible enough to grapple efficiently using its limbs. Subduing it is proof of the same set of qualities required for bringing down a cat.
Anyway, I don’t know whether that’s the eagle’s kill, but it doesn’t look like carrion to me. Agility isn’t very meaningful in this scenario–it’s clear a bobcat cannot outmaneuver an eagle, at worst the eagle will see itself forced to take to the air to gain the upper hand in that department.
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 4:31:42 GMT 5
Theropod what do you think these two will say if I link a study saying humans are training hawks to hunt feral cats? You think they'd read it?
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 4:41:27 GMT 5
Theropod what do you think these two will say if I link a study saying humans are training hawks to hunt feral cats? You think they'd read it? You mean house cats? LOL Once again, there are accounts of house cats killing eagles as well. Whats your point? How about you showing us eagles or hawks hunting Bobcats, hence what we are actually talking about. |
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 4:47:14 GMT 5
Cat kills eagle news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1915&dat=18990323&id=0AwiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dHMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3059,6117179 another Officials at the National Zoo suspect that a large cat got into a bald eagle's enclosure and killed the bird, perhaps already weakened by fierce storms and unable to fly. It is the latest in a series of animal deaths at the zoo. The male eagle died Friday morning, the same day that the zoo celebrated a new exhibit designed especially for bald eagles hurt in the wild. The dead eagle was housed separately from the zoo's two new eagles that were donated by American Eagle Foundation based at singer Dolly Parton's Dollywood theme park in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. The 21-year-old eagle, found by a zookeeper early Thursday, had severe puncture wounds to his abdomen and back, spokeswoman Julie Mason said. Zookeepers suspect a large cat crept into the cage and attacked the eagle, who could have been injured during Wednesday night's fierce rain storms. another cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH19020707.2.157So Runic, what was your point, exactly? |
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 4:48:48 GMT 5
Theropod what do you think these two will say if I link a study saying humans are training hawks to hunt feral cats? You think they'd read it? You mean house cats? LOL Once again, there are accounts of house cats killing eagles as well. Whats your point? How about you showing us eagles or hawks hunting Bobcats, hence what we are actually talking about. Its already shown. Every scientific paper on Golden Eagles puts bobcats as animals killed and house cats. With Martial & Crowned its Caracal and Serval killed, Tawny eagles with wild cats & Harpies with ocelots. Then again, if you could read you'd have known that already. Oh and btw. . . Hawks weigh about 3lbs and they're being trained to kill cats. I know you and those pussies embarrased huh? Lolz |
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 4:51:33 GMT 5
Cat kills eagle news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1915&dat=1899032id=0AwiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dHMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3059,6117179 another Officials at the National Zoo suspect that a large cat got into a bald eagle's enclosure and killed the bird, perhaps already weakened by fierce storms and unable to fly. It is the latest in a series of animal deaths at the zoo. The male eagle died Friday morning, the same day that the zoo celebrated a new exhibit designed especially for bald eagles hurt in the wild. The dead eagle was housed separately from the zoo's two new eagles that were donated by American Eagle Foundation based at singer Dolly Parton's Dollywood theme park in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. The 21-year-old eagle, found by a zookeeper early Thursday, had severe puncture wounds to his abdomen and back, spokeswoman Julie Mason said. Zookeepers suspect a large cat crept into the cage and attacked the eagle, who could have been injured during Wednesday night's fierce rain storms. another cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH19020707.2.157So Runic, what was your point, exactly? Big point in second account "Zookeepers suspect a large cat crept into the cage and attacked the eagle, who could have been injured during Wednesday night's fierce rain storms." ^ fail account is fail lol And I've posted multiple accounts and pictures of eagles with dead cats in the animal conflict thread. Shame you're to adamant to look at em XD |
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Post by Weasel on May 1, 2014 5:20:37 GMT 5
Thats not what I meant when I said bite  I never said the eagle can't grapple but if they try to "swoop down" and attack the cat, the cat can use it's forelimbs to defend itself better than foxes or small wolves running away |
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Post by Weasel on May 1, 2014 5:24:01 GMT 5
You mean house cats? LOL Once again, there are accounts of house cats killing eagles as well. Whats your point? How about you showing us eagles or hawks hunting Bobcats, hence what we are actually talking about. Its already shown. Every scientific paper on Golden Eagles puts bobcats as animals killed and house cats. With Martial & Crowned its Caracal and Serval killed, Tawny eagles with wild cats & Harpies with ocelots. Then again, if you could read you'd have known that already. Oh and btw. . . Hawks weigh about 3lbs and they're being trained to kill cats. ass ass butt ass butt butt ass ass They kill by ambush for the 100000000000000000000000000000000000000th time |
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Post by theropod on May 1, 2014 15:33:33 GMT 5
Theropod what do you think these two will say if I link a study saying humans are training hawks to hunt feral cats? You think they'd read it? No, I don’t think they’d read it. |
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Post by theropod on May 1, 2014 15:47:48 GMT 5
Weasel Yes, but the eagle is very hard to defend from, only natural when you attack from above. It is easier for the eagle to get a hold than vice versa. pckts: The second was already posted. I can’t find the first, what’s the title? And is there some specific reason the only accounts of eagles being killed by cats are more than a century old and contain such unlikely claims (eagle with a 9ft wingspan, cat using eagle as parachute)?
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Post by Weasel on May 2, 2014 2:19:41 GMT 5
Weasel Yes, but the eagle is very hard to defend from, only natural when you attack from above. It is easier for the eagle to get a hold than vice versa. pckts: The second was already posted. I can’t find the first, what’s the title? And is there some specific reason the only accounts of eagles being killed by cats are more than a century old and contain such unlikely claims (eagle with a 9ft wingspan, cat using eagle as parachute) Eagle is not very hard to defend from when you have grappling ability it may be difficult but I doubt it would be 'very hard' when the eagle actually swoops down to kill the cat it can avoid the talons and grab the eagle. Also I still think the bobcats bite is a advantage I don't think a eagle's bite is as deadly as the bobcats. |
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Post by theropod on May 2, 2014 2:30:19 GMT 5
The bobcats bite is certainly deadly, but only if it catches the right region–that it requires its grappling ability for. The eagle’s bite is not used as a killing tool, but to tear up the victim. In terms of the damage it dels, it’s more comparable to the cat’s claws.
The eagle’s claws on the other hand are analogous to canines, but they are longer and can open wide enough to grab various regions. They can be used to grab the head or neck, but they can also be used elsewhere. The coyote for example was killed by puncturing the lungs and aorta, and I think those pictures of the pronghorn speak for themselves.
Eagles seem to have little problem killing forelimb grapplers. Racoons, possums, badgers, housecats, servals, even bobcats are all on the list of prey items occasionally taken. If their attacks were not very hard to defend from, we’d see more cases were this actually happened sucessfully.
In reality, cats don’t leap and "pluck" an attacking eagle "out of the air". The eagle is far too quick and agile to let that happen. Its speed and flying ability help it come past an animal’s defenses and strike it where it is vulnerable, which then leaves it in the perfect position to finish it off.
Even if not, that does not leave it helpless. It either repositions and tries again, or it takes the fight to the ground and lunges at the cat talons first. I’ve seen footage of both happening.
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Post by Weasel on May 2, 2014 6:33:08 GMT 5
The bobcats bite is certainly deadly, but only if it catches the right region–that it requires its grappling ability for. The eagle’s bite is not used as a killing tool, but to tear up the victim. In terms of the damage it dels, it’s more comparable to the cat’s claws. The eagle’s claws on the other hand are analogous to canines, but they are longer and can open wide enough to grab various regions. They can be used to grab the head or neck, but they can also be used elsewhere. The coyote for example was killed by puncturing the lungs and aorta, and I think those pictures of the pronghorn speak for themselves. Eagles seem to have little problem killing forelimb grapplers. Racoons, possums, badgers, housecats, servals, even bobcats are all on the list of prey items occasionally taken. If their attacks were not very hard to defend from, we’d see more cases were this actually happened sucessfully. In reality, cats don’t leap and "pluck" an attacking eagle "out of the air". The eagle is far too quick and agile to let that happen. Its speed and flying ability help it come past an animal’s defenses and strike it where it is vulnerable, which then leaves it in the perfect position to finish it off. Even if not, that does not leave it helpless. It either repositions and tries again, or it takes the fight to the ground and lunges at the cat talons first. I’ve seen footage of both happening. Bobcats bite is more deadly and will do more damage to the eagle than the eagles 'bite' will do to the bobcat. Racoons and possums lack the agility and explosive power cats have, While cats and servals are not impressive kills. No a eagle can't kill a bobcat in a face to face fight the eagles likely killed by ambush or took subadults. A cat is far to agile to let the eagle strike it wheres its vulnerable. |
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Post by Weasel on May 2, 2014 6:35:18 GMT 5
Cats have killed birds in mid air but they do it by ambush.
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Post by theropod on May 2, 2014 14:02:12 GMT 5
WeaselAnd the eagle’s claws are more deadly and will do more damage than the cat’s, so what? House cats and servals are imressive kills for an animal weighing less than 5kg. It proves birds of prey can take on similar-sized or even larger felines. Apparently the eagles can attack them sucessfully, otherwise they wouldn’t prey on these creatures.
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