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Post by theropod on May 10, 2014 14:26:20 GMT 5
Why do you keep disregarding it? Since days you fail to bring forth any argument as to why they are not relevant, those "domesticated,poorly equipped felines" are for all our intends and purposes a good functional analogue, I already explained why.
In any case, they totally prove you wrong, birds do win at parity, almost always to be exact.
And they are not the only accounts, I have posted one of a wild cat, and at least one (maybe two) of servals.
I never doubted cats also kill hawks when they get the chance–only logical considering they are several times bigger. But that hawks can kill cats proves you wrong on your assertion that birds never win at parity.
The bacteria are irrelevant, we already discussed that.
She actually cites a source that doesn’t in any way state that birds are more susceptible to bacterial infection from a cat’s bite than other animals. They are not a guarantee for an opponent’s death, and even if it dies, it will still have killed the cat significantly earlier in all likelyhood.
If a cat were to scratch a lion, and the lion killed the cat but died of infection a few days later (which is a possibility with ANY type of injury, and is thus not considered), who won?
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Post by Weasel on May 10, 2014 19:29:39 GMT 5
I don't see housecats as an impressive feline a eagle can take, you always use housecats over and over again. Instead of giving me accounts of eagles killing WILD CATS at parity like I ask you just try to say that housecats are impressive prey! I knew we got passed the infection thing I was just letting you know. Cat bites cause fatal septicemia to birds and its more dangerous to smaller animals, in case you haven't noticed yet a lion is no small animal  |
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Post by Weasel on May 10, 2014 19:34:07 GMT 5
You never posted a eagle killing a wild cat at parity, only one and I already said that we know nothing about either animal.
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Post by theropod on May 10, 2014 20:24:56 GMT 5
And I already gave you reasons why that is not very important.
That’s because unlike wildcats, house cats are an abundant and readily available food source–no wonder there are more accounts with them.
I already did that, you can deny it as long as you want.
And you deny it. And even tought eagles do kill house cats, you go on denying it and claiming they never won at parity.
any wound can get infected, an any animal. Size isn’t important, we are already making the assumption that it really was letal (which is an assumption without base either way!). You didn’t answer my question.
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Post by Supercommunist on May 11, 2014 1:42:55 GMT 5
Eagle kills a larger wildcat. I already posted this picture several pages ago.  Which is completetly and utterly irrelevant, so stop bringing it up. |
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Post by Weasel on May 11, 2014 2:50:35 GMT 5
And I already gave you reasons why that is not very important. That’s because unlike wildcats, house cats are an abundant and readily available food source–no wonder there are more accounts with them. I already did that, you can deny it as long as you want. And you deny it. And even tought eagles do kill house cats, you go on denying it and claiming they never won at parity. any wound can get infected, an any animal. Size isn’t important, we are already making the assumption that it really was letal (which is an assumption without base either way!). You didn’t answer my question. I never claimed a eagle can't kill a housecat at parity! they just can't kill wildcats at parity. |
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Post by Weasel on May 11, 2014 2:58:13 GMT 5
Eagle kills a larger wildcat. I already posted this picture several pages ago. Which is completetly and utterly irrelevant, so stop bringing it up. Is there an account that goes with that picture? I would like to know the circumstances. I honestly agree I just pointed out and did not expect him to reply. |
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Post by Weasel on May 11, 2014 3:00:05 GMT 5
You never gave me an account of a eagle killing a wild cat, instead of saying that you did over and over again re post it!
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Post by creature386 on May 11, 2014 13:30:00 GMT 5
No offense, but when you always write the same, you will always get the same answers, so this doesn't contribute to the discussion in any way. Also, doing nothing else than asking for evidence isn't much better either.
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Post by Runic on May 11, 2014 19:46:04 GMT 5
We have provided a account of a eagle attempting on a cat and being killed for it. And another account with images of a eagle who killed a cat but suffered life threatening injuries and the cat was half the size of the eagle or even a kitten judging from the pic. male Golden Eagles weigh less than 7lbs. |
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Post by Weasel on May 12, 2014 0:10:03 GMT 5
No offense, but when you always write the same, you will always get the same answers, so this doesn't contribute to the discussion in any way. Also, doing nothing else than asking for evidence isn't much better either. What? he never even gave me a good account with wild cats only a few that were not at parity and a few accounts where the eagle killed a housecat. |
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Post by creature386 on May 12, 2014 1:13:08 GMT 5
With the same argumentation, the opposite site could demand a face to face eagle/cat fight to the death were both are at parity and the cat wins. Asking questions in a that special way will not give you satisfying results. We either work with what we have or we decide to ignore accounts and judge the outcome of this based on what we know about the animals' morphologies and talk about hypothetical scenarios. How about the latter? It would allow us to move on.
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Post by Weasel on May 12, 2014 2:54:27 GMT 5
We can't base this match up purely off of incidents that happen in the wild. There aren't any cases in the wild with these same circumstances, I agree that eagles can kill housecats and servals but they don't "regularly kill and eat wild cats at parity" like he claimed just domesticated species of felines.
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Post by Fragillimus335 on May 13, 2014 0:43:27 GMT 5
You never gave me an account of a eagle killing a wild cat, instead of saying that you did over and over again re post it! Perhaps you are still ignoring the scientific paper that clearly states golden eagles have taken 2 adult bobcats in the wild, possibly by ambush, although cats are hard to sneak up on. sex and size of the cat doesn't matter, because nearly all adult bobcats are at parity or larger than Golden eagles. If you can provide evidence of the reverse happening, do it now. I don't want a "but they MUST have been kittens" responses. I want your real evidence to the contrary, no hypothetical assumptions. |
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Post by Weasel on May 13, 2014 2:11:19 GMT 5
He is still trying to use a "scientific paper" that pretty much gives us no detail about the circumstances, why is this not surprising?
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