Fragillimus335
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Post by Fragillimus335 on May 13, 2014 4:32:20 GMT 5
He is still trying to use a "scientific paper" that pretty much gives us no detail about the circumstances, why is this not surprising? Your quotations are idiotic. You didn't peer review the paper, so you have no right to quote it as such. They don't give excruciating detail because they covered over 7,000 animals. I see you "gracefully" avoided my simple request, If you have ANY evidence AT ALL to the contrary speak up and present your data. If you can't I will assume you are merely trolling this thread with nothing meaningful to offer. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 13, 2014 6:17:06 GMT 5
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Weasel
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Post by Weasel on May 17, 2014 2:19:18 GMT 5
Yes because if a eagle kills a cat it was certainly face to face  |
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Post by Weasel on May 17, 2014 2:22:34 GMT 5
I don't think there are any face to face fights in the wild so stop trying to use them and base this entire match up off of it !!!
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Post by coherentsheaf on May 17, 2014 3:16:26 GMT 5
Yes because if a eagle kills a cat it was certainly face to face Eagles attack cats in non ambush scenarios. Already forgotten? |
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 17, 2014 3:41:36 GMT 5
I don't think there are any face to face fights in the wild so stop trying to use them and base this entire match up off of it !!! It really only came to be that way when you et al. decided the accounts didn't prove the eagle supporters' case, thus starting debate on it, and therefore numerous pages were solely dedicated to that. The first page also contains a different argument made by Runic, where, for example, he makes the case that the eagle looks a lot bigger, aiding the eagle in the fight. |
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Post by theropod on May 17, 2014 15:32:58 GMT 5
WeaselWell, they obviously can. Irrespective of that, wild cats don’t have major anatomical differences to house cats. either way its bullshit to claim eagles didn’t kill felines at parity. So, who claimed that? We obviously cannot tell based on the given data, wild cats are elusive animals and not that common. But cats in general are a somewhat frequent component of accipitrid diets. I did give you an account with a scottish wild cat, its really annnoying to always repost everything three times just because some people ignore it time and again, but here you go→. There’s also an interesting photograph with a tawny eagle and a wild cat that looks like a fresh kill, it was posted above. And of course a small or subadult serval is also still a wild cat weighing about as much as a martial eagle. It’s not surprising because giving scientific evidence is an important prerequisite for a scientific discussion. Fragillimus335 is aware of that, you either aren’t or you are incapable of doing so. Your comment doesn’t surprise me either tough. You are the one with the fixation on faceoff accounts. Of course it isn’t easy to find them, given the vast majority will go unnoticed. There are enough arguments besides that, that you ignored of course. Bird of prey’s dimensional size and weaponery is disproportionately large compared to their weight. Their talons evidently have great puncturing capabilities, as is demonstrated by countless accounts of eagle predation (eg. Phillips et al. 1996,Mason 2000), and they are capable of subduing very large, formidable prey, due to a combination of formidable weaponery, a relentless grappling and killing style and the positional advantage inherent to a volant animal. It’s hardly surprising that in order to further illustrate that, the evidence for eagles subduing large carnivorans was brought up–neither should you be surprised by the fact that they do. It’s you who apparently needed to start a long debate about that.
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Weasel
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Post by Weasel on May 19, 2014 8:08:36 GMT 5
Yes because if a eagle kills a cat it was certainly face to face Eagles attack cats in non ambush scenarios. Already forgotten? Actually eagles do ambush lol |
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Post by Weasel on May 19, 2014 8:30:00 GMT 5
Your link lead me to a source claiming golden eagles hunt wildcat I already posted about that.
What if I put it like this since you fail to realize housecats/feral cats are not on the same level as wild cats I will put it like this: eagles can kill those cats at parity but only those specific cats.
I guess that paper can prove a few things but I don't think it proves eagles can kill cats in face to face due to its lack of detail.
I never disagreed that eagles talons can kill a wild cat but a wild cat killing a eagle seems more likely.
As I have said PLENTY of times before the eagles that kill wolves are TRAINED and the wolves they kill are mostly subadults trying to run away most of the wolves don't even bother to fight back until its too late.
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Post by coherentsheaf on May 19, 2014 12:14:08 GMT 5
Eagles attack cats in non ambush scenarios. Already forgotten? Actually eagles do ambush lol attacks of eagles on cats as large or larger than themselves: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKqDysd3dLwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1czXVuEg0Both times the eagle continues after the cat is aware. Note that one cat is a wild cat. I posted these videos in this very thread. This is why I asked: Already forgotten? |
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Post by theropod on May 19, 2014 17:49:46 GMT 5
WeaselMy link directed you to a post I had made previously, regarding an account of a golden eagle killing a scottish wild cat. Why don't you give scientific information supporting your case? Would be appropriate imo... No, not only those specific cats. What paper? I surely posted a lot of papers that were ignored, but none regarding that point. And why if I may ask? What is it that in your opinion makes a wild cat superior to an eagle at similar weights? I don't know what those wolves have to do with that. Wild eagles also kill large carnivorans. Any evidence? meaning they are aware of the eagles... Because they can't!
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Weasel
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Post by Weasel on May 22, 2014 6:47:31 GMT 5
Yeah Eagle attacking cats that are aware of them, is this suppose to prove eagles don't kill by ambush? |
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Post by Weasel on May 22, 2014 6:53:24 GMT 5
As I have said before (ALOT) I agree that birds of prey can kill housecats and feral cats at parity.
The wolves they hunt can't fight back because they are running away and don't even attempt to fight back, the eagles that kill wolves are trained though.
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Post by coherentsheaf on May 22, 2014 9:04:11 GMT 5
Yeah Eagle attacking cats that are aware of them, is this suppose to prove eagles don't kill by ambush? It proofs that eagles are not afraid to attack cats face to face, indicating that they are pretty confident in their ability to take them down. The eagles are not ambushing any more once the cat is aware of their presence - by definition. In general readers of these threat could find this interesting: www.falconryforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-26388.htmlUnfortunately I am not sure if these accounts are exaggerated, but it seems that at least eagles take wild cats rather easily. |
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Post by Weasel on May 23, 2014 6:54:23 GMT 5
Yeah Eagle attacking cats that are aware of them, is this suppose to prove eagles don't kill by ambush? It proofs that eagles are not afraid to attack cats face to face, indicating that they are pretty confident in their ability to take them down. The eagles are not ambushing any more once the cat is aware of their presence - by definition. In general readers of these threat could find this interesting: www.falconryforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-26388.htmlUnfortunately I am not sure if these accounts are exaggerated, but it seems that at least eagles take wild cats rather easily. I never said that eagles were afraid to fight cats despite cats being better fighters, I just said that just because they attacking cats without ambush does not mean they will kill one without ambush. I don't think a bunch of biased people is a good source for these accounts though. " Cat flushes to be nailed by a eagle" LOL |
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