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Post by coherentsheaf on May 23, 2014 10:50:09 GMT 5
It proofs that eagles are not afraid to attack cats face to face, indicating that they are pretty confident in their ability to take them down. The eagles are not ambushing any more once the cat is aware of their presence - by definition. In general readers of these threat could find this interesting: www.falconryforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-26388.htmlUnfortunately I am not sure if these accounts are exaggerated, but it seems that at least eagles take wild cats rather easily. I never said that eagles were afraid to fight cats despite cats being better fighters, I just said that just because they attacking cats without ambush does not mean they will kill one without ambush. It just suggests they are not afraid to attack a cat in predatory fashion without ambush. If a cat was a better fighter, as you claim, this behavior would not only be risky but suicidal. We do not expect much suicidal behavior from animals. If on the other hand, cats are risky, but not likely to be deadly we would expect behavior like documented in the videos. |
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Post by theropod on May 23, 2014 20:22:10 GMT 5
One of the videos→ coherentsheaf has posted shows an eagle chasing, attacking and yanking up a wild cat that looked a good deal bigger than itself, all that while the cat was aware of it, i.e. without an ambush attack that would have given it the oppurtunity to kill it instantly. Any thoughts on what exactly was going on around 2:09? It was difficult to see because it happened quickly, but from frame-by-frame analysis it seems like in the end it comes to a halt behind that branch and the eagle swoops down on or at least extremely close to it, which doesn”t make sense if the cat got away. Some of the action resembles the incident with the coyote, but it seems rather unlikely the eagle could have fatally injured the feline in that short encounter, as it only made contact with its rear end (while it punctured the pectoral area in the coyote). But then, why doesn’t the cat flee when the eagle swoops down? A combination of exhaustion and injury perhaps? It proofs that eagles are not afraid to attack cats face to face, indicating that they are pretty confident in their ability to take them down. The eagles are not ambushing any more once the cat is aware of their presence - by definition. In general readers of these threat could find this interesting: www.falconryforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-26388.htmlUnfortunately I am not sure if these accounts are exaggerated, but it seems that at least eagles take wild cats rather easily. I never said that eagles were afraid to fight cats despite cats being better fighters, I just said that just because they attacking cats without ambush does not mean they will kill one without ambush. I don't think a bunch of biased people is a good source for these accounts though. " Cat flushes to be nailed by a eagle" LOL Don’t you mean " wild cats" (with the exclusion of servals and scottish wild cats!), which, according to you, eagles cannot kill while they can kill house and feral cats? I thought that distinction was so important for you? So, if not, could you again explain to me why cats are "better fighters", but are still on various eagle species’ menu?
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Post by Runic on May 24, 2014 5:22:54 GMT 5
Thursday, July 02, 2009 By LORI STABILE lstabile@repub.com BELCHERTOWN - Ellen M. Majka was inside her home on Prescott Hill when she saw a bald eagle swoop down into her neighbor's yard. It was the first time she saw a bald eagle in the neighborhood. But even more surprising was what she saw in its talons when it flew back up - a black cat. "I've never seen anything like that in my life. I was shocked. I said, 'Oh my God,'" Majka said. The incident happened early, just after 6 am. on June 23. According to eagle experts, a bald eagle capturing a cat is not impossible, but highly unusual. "I believe it is within the realm of possibility and has been documented elsewhere. Bald eagles are capable of taking domestic cats," William J. Davis, district manager for Worcester County for the state Division of Fisheries and Wildlife, said Wednesday. While the main diet of bald eagles is fish, Davis said they are opportunistic and will eat squirrels, turtles, even Canada geese. They are also known to feast on animal carcasses, including deer. Interestingly, when eaglets were brought to the Quabbin Reservoir in the 1980s from Nova Scotia, wildlife biologists there believed that the adult bald eagles were preying on feral and barn cats that lived near a lake, Davis said. Ralph E. Taylor, district manager for the Connecticut Valley wildlife district for the state agency, agreed that a bald eagle taking a cat would be unusual. www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2288615/posts |
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Post by Weasel on May 24, 2014 5:39:39 GMT 5
I never said that eagles were afraid to fight cats despite cats being better fighters, I just said that just because they attacking cats without ambush does not mean they will kill one without ambush. It just suggests they are not afraid to attack a cat in predatory fashion without ambush. If a cat was a better fighter, as you claim, this behavior would not only be risky but suicidal. We do not expect much suicidal behavior from animals. If on the other hand, cats are risky, but not likely to be deadly we would expect behavior like documented in the videos. No it just proves eagles are not afraid of cats it does not prove eagles don't kill by ambush |
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Post by Weasel on May 24, 2014 5:52:44 GMT 5
One of the videos→ coherentsheaf has posted shows an eagle chasing, attacking and yanking up a wild cat that looked a good deal bigger than itself, all that while the cat was aware of it, i.e. without an ambush attack that would have given it the oppurtunity to kill it instantly. Any thoughts on what exactly was going on around 2:09? It was difficult to see because it happened quickly, but from frame-by-frame analysis it seems like in the end it comes to a halt behind that branch and the eagle swoops down on or at least extremely close to it, which doesn”t make sense if the cat got away. Some of the action resembles the incident with the coyote, but it seems rather unlikely the eagle could have fatally injured the feline in that short encounter, as it only made contact with its rear end (while it punctured the pectoral area in the coyote). But then, why doesn’t the cat flee when the eagle swoops down? A combination of exhaustion and injury perhaps? I never said that eagles were afraid to fight cats despite cats being better fighters, I just said that just because they attacking cats without ambush does not mean they will kill one without ambush. I don't think a bunch of biased people is a good source for these accounts though. " Cat flushes to be nailed by a eagle" LOL Don’t you mean " wild cats" (with the exclusion of servals and scottish wild cats!), which, according to you, eagles cannot kill while they can kill house and feral cats? I thought that distinction was so important for you? So, if not, could you again explain to me why cats are "better fighters", but are still on various eagle species’ menu? Yes because a eagle yanking a cat is excellent proof that they would kill one without ambush. I doubt the cat even got any serious injuries from that the eagle seemed to be attacking the rear.
It shouldn't be hard to infer I meant wild cats with the exclusion of servals not scottish wild cats, if you try to bring that old account up I already discussed it like the paper fragmillus posted it lacks detail and we know nothing about either animal. The eagle still was not able to kill the cat the fall did though I won't use that as a argument. |
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Post by Weasel on May 24, 2014 5:54:25 GMT 5
Thursday, July 02, 2009 By LORI STABILE lstabile@repub.com BELCHERTOWN - Ellen M. Majka was inside her home on Prescott Hill when she saw a bald eagle swoop down into her neighbor's yard. It was the first time she saw a bald eagle in the neighborhood. But even more surprising was what she saw in its talons when it flew back up - a black cat. "I've never seen anything like that in my life. I was shocked. I said, 'Oh my God,'" Majka said. The incident happened early, just after 6 am. on June 23. According to eagle experts, a bald eagle capturing a cat is not impossible, but highly unusual. "I believe it is within the realm of possibility and has been documented elsewhere. Bald eagles are capable of taking domestic cats," William J. Davis, district manager for Worcester County for the state Division of Fisheries and Wildlife, said Wednesday. While the main diet of bald eagles is fish, Davis said they are opportunistic and will eat squirrels, turtles, even Canada geese. They are also known to feast on animal carcasses, including deer. Interestingly, when eaglets were brought to the Quabbin Reservoir in the 1980s from Nova Scotia, wildlife biologists there believed that the adult bald eagles were preying on feral and barn cats that lived near a lake, Davis said. Ralph E. Taylor, district manager for the Connecticut Valley wildlife district for the state agency, agreed that a bald eagle taking a cat would be unusual. www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2288615/postsI agree eagles kill housecats and ferals, whats your point? |
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Post by Runic on May 24, 2014 6:02:31 GMT 5
Thursday, July 02, 2009 By LORI STABILE lstabile@repub.com BELCHERTOWN - Ellen M. Majka was inside her home on Prescott Hill when she saw a bald eagle swoop down into her neighbor's yard. It was the first time she saw a bald eagle in the neighborhood. But even more surprising was what she saw in its talons when it flew back up - a black cat. "I've never seen anything like that in my life. I was shocked. I said, 'Oh my God,'" Majka said. The incident happened early, just after 6 am. on June 23. According to eagle experts, a bald eagle capturing a cat is not impossible, but highly unusual. "I believe it is within the realm of possibility and has been documented elsewhere. Bald eagles are capable of taking domestic cats," William J. Davis, district manager for Worcester County for the state Division of Fisheries and Wildlife, said Wednesday. While the main diet of bald eagles is fish, Davis said they are opportunistic and will eat squirrels, turtles, even Canada geese. They are also known to feast on animal carcasses, including deer. Interestingly, when eaglets were brought to the Quabbin Reservoir in the 1980s from Nova Scotia, wildlife biologists there believed that the adult bald eagles were preying on feral and barn cats that lived near a lake, Davis said. Ralph E. Taylor, district manager for the Connecticut Valley wildlife district for the state agency, agreed that a bald eagle taking a cat would be unusual. www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2288615/postsI agree eagles kill housecats and ferals, whats your point? They kill all kinds of cats domestic or wild. Only one that doesn't want to believe that is you. |
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Post by Weasel on May 24, 2014 6:04:12 GMT 5
"they kill all kinds of cats" that's your argument? lol
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 24, 2014 7:09:18 GMT 5
The fact that they kill wild, feral, and domestic cats a good amount of the time proves the harpy eagle is very capable of winning to the bobcat. Is it really that hard to understand?
There were other arguments not in the form of accounts as well, which, as theropod said, you ignored.
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Post by Runic on May 24, 2014 7:37:25 GMT 5
"they kill all kinds of cats" that's your argument? lol You're all kinds and types of stupid aren't you? "Lol" |
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Post by Weasel on May 24, 2014 10:07:31 GMT 5
The fact that they kill wild, feral, and domestic cats a good amount of the time proves the harpy eagle is very capable of winning to the bobcat. Is it really that hard to understand? There were other arguments not in the form of accounts as well, which, as theropod said, you ignored. Eagles killing don't kill wild cats at parity show me one account on here that was FOR SURE face to face and at parity. The only argument I ignored was eagles look bigger at parity in which I actually agree so I don't think replying would do anything. |
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Post by Weasel on May 24, 2014 10:14:50 GMT 5
"they kill all kinds of cats" that's your argument? lol You're all kinds and types of stupid aren't you? "Lol" Name calling on a ava thread is ignorant and maybe you should use actually proof of eagles killing wild cats (face to face AND at parity) though I apologize for being rather immature with my ridiculous comment. |
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Post by creature386 on May 24, 2014 12:30:24 GMT 5
I remember when 221extra talked about strawmen. Asking questions in the most specific way, so that they can't be answered. To be fair, I don't think we should rely on accounts only either, but if you have reasons to believe why the cat would win (morphological superiority or something like that), post them!
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Post by theropod on May 24, 2014 12:31:54 GMT 5
Weasel Since that proof has already been posted several times, I highly doubt you’ll do anything except ignore it again if I or anyone else reposts it. You have not given a single reason for your assertion of cats being better fighters. You haven’t even managed to tell me how exactly a wild cat will win against an eagle while a house cat won’t. The video that was posted clearly showed an eagle that was chasing a large wild cat, possibly even killing it. The account with the scottish wild cat that was "mangled" was explicitely described to be face to face, and it is very unlikely the cat was smaller than the eagle. The point is still standing; if cats were better fighters, eagles would not dare to prey on them. But they do prey on them, there are many accounts of that. And it doesn’t really matter whether its about wild cats, feral cats or servals.
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Post by Weasel on May 24, 2014 13:13:04 GMT 5
I remember when 221extra talked about strawmen. Asking questions in the most specific way, so that they can't be answered. To be fair, I don't think we should rely on accounts only either, but if you have reasons to believe why the cat would win (morphological superiority or something like that), post them! Im not asking questions in a 'specific way' im telling them it should be an account that at least is parity and face to face. |
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