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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 14, 2013 23:58:35 GMT 5
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 15, 2013 0:05:26 GMT 5
most match ups between small lizards like this have a fairly obvious outcome but I find this one interesting.
While the leopard lizard does get slightly larger and is considered a lizard eating specialist, the male collared lizard is in many ways a lizard fighting specialist, with a combative nature and a powerful bite that is not dependent on size so even a larger leopard could have a weaker and less formidable bite.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 15, 2013 0:36:26 GMT 5
Eastern collared lizards
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 15, 2013 12:35:43 GMT 5
Not much interest in this thread.
I'll have to remember that for tge next time I make a match up.
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Post by creature386 on Aug 15, 2013 20:23:29 GMT 5
I will try to post here. I don't know so much about both, but judging from what you wrote, the collared lizard may have the advantage.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 15, 2013 20:34:24 GMT 5
I will try to post here. I don't know so much about both, but judging from what you wrote, the collared lizard may have the advantage. Dont worry about it, this isnt the kinda thing most of you guys are into. Leopard lizards are still, lizard eating specialist, they have several behavior adaptations that aid in there killing of smaller lizards that include the use of there front legs, something collared lizards dont do. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 16, 2013 2:20:47 GMT 5
I mean how would you not favor a lizard eating specialist over another lizard. The collard lizard must be a warrior lol. Would've posted sooner but I didn't see this thread.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 16, 2013 2:34:49 GMT 5
I mean how would you not favor a lizard eating specialist over another lizard. The collard lizard must be a warrior lol. Would've posted sooner but I didn't see this thread. if its any indication as how much of a difference the males intraspefic conflict adaptations makes, I would not favour a female collared lizard for a second, I would treat her like she is already dead as soon as the fight started. Bite force is a more accurate predictor of male territory size and breeding success than body mass. Males loose toes, lips, tails and even lives in fights. These guys are warriors, if they werent I wouldnt have put them up against the leopard lizard. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 16, 2013 2:39:35 GMT 5
I mean how would you not favor a lizard eating specialist over another lizard. The collard lizard must be a warrior lol. Would've posted sooner but I didn't see this thread. if its any indication as how much of a difference the males intraspefic conflict adaptations makes, I would not favour a female collared lizard for a second, I would treat her like she is already dead as soon as the fight started. Bite force is a more accurate predictor of male territory size and breeding success than body mass. Males loose toes, lips, tails and even lives in fights. These guys are warriors or I would have put them up against the leopard lizard.  ok then you make a good point. So it's basically the ultimate attack vs ultimate defense. I always side with offensive tactics so I'd back the leopard lizard. Would probably lose a couple limbs tho. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 16, 2013 2:55:56 GMT 5
if its any indication as how much of a difference the males intraspefic conflict adaptations makes, I would not favour a female collared lizard for a second, I would treat her like she is already dead as soon as the fight started. Bite force is a more accurate predictor of male territory size and breeding success than body mass. Males loose toes, lips, tails and even lives in fights. These guys are warriors or I would have put them up against the leopard lizard. ok then you make a good point. So it's basically the ultimate attack vs ultimate defense. I always side with offensive tactics so I'd back the leopard lizard. Would probably lose a couple limbs tho.  that may have been the winner.... There fights arnt always so violent but when no ones backs down it gets messy. Its also worth noting these lizard are both very athletic. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 16, 2013 3:38:02 GMT 5
ok then you make a good point. So it's basically the ultimate attack vs ultimate defense. I always side with offensive tactics so I'd back the leopard lizard. Would probably lose a couple limbs tho. that may have been the winner.... There fights arnt always so violent but when no ones backs down it gets messy. Its also worth noting these lizard are both very athletic. Ewwww |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 16, 2013 3:57:01 GMT 5
Id like to point out that I still havent made up my mind about this yet and im just pointing out the advantages of the collared lizard because the video i provided for them doesnt do them justice while the lepard lizard one is of good quality and is a good display of there abilities.
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Post by Runic on Aug 16, 2013 5:22:57 GMT 5
Id like to point out that I still havent made up my mind about this yet and im just pointing out the advantages of the collared lizard because the video i provided for them doesnt do them justice while the lepard lizard one is of good quality and is a good display of there abilities. I'd still side with the leopard lizard tho is it just me or would this fight seem adorable to anyone else? |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 16, 2013 6:05:02 GMT 5
Id like to point out that I still havent made up my mind about this yet and im just pointing out the advantages of the collared lizard because the video i provided for them doesnt do them justice while the lepard lizard one is of good quality and is a good display of there abilities. I'd still side with the leopard lizard tho is it just me or would this fight seem adorable to anyone else? at least until it got bloody. should also mention that leopard lizards are on the oposite end of the sexual dimorphism as the collared lizard, with larger females and smaller males. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 16, 2013 12:54:09 GMT 5
I'd still side with the leopard lizard tho is it just me or would this fight seem adorable to anyone else? at least until it got bloody. should also mention that leopard lizards are on the oposite end of the sexual dimorphism as the collared lizard, with larger females and smaller males. I don't see how that would alter the match honestly. |
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ok then you make a good point. So it's basically the ultimate attack vs ultimate defense. I always side with offensive tactics so I'd back the leopard lizard. Would probably lose a couple limbs tho.