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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:06:34 GMT 5
So notice, the 3 accounts of pronghorn predation are all fawns. None weighing more than 20kg. Now onto the pronghorn "I was the person that photographed the eagle and antelope. I was about 1,850 feet away, reason for the poor quality. The first photo (eagle flying away) in the series should be the last. The antelope got away from the eagle. Two hours later the antelope was lying in some sage with two eagles on a power pole near by. Two days later I checked the area and there was no evidence of a kill, no antelope, no birds."  The final image he is talking about is right here. So once again, this is not a account. Even male pronghorns are small Pronghorns have distinct white fur on their rumps, sides, breasts, bellies, and across their throats. They have a highly developed sense of curiosity compared to related animals. Adult males are 1.3–1.5 m (4 ft 3 in–4 ft 11 in) long from nose to tail, stand 81–104 cm (32–41 in) high at the shoulder, and weigh 40–65 kg (88–143 lb). The females are the same height as males, but weigh 34–48 kg (75–106 lb). The feet have just two hooves, with no dewclaws. Their body temperature is 38°C (100°F).[5][7][8][9] and btw, Females have horns as well! Females have smaller horns that range from 2.5–15.2 cm (1–6 in) (average 12 centimetres (4.7 in)) and sometimes barely visible; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PronghornSo you were wrong on both parts. |
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:09:42 GMT 5
I think a confirmed number of caribou, pronghorn, various deer species, goats, sheep and cattle calves is more than just "comparable", yes. Check out this paper→. If you don’t have acess, I can send you a pdf. Once again, this is something I posted previously that you ignored, so please don’t do that again. It lists 127 cases of predation on mule deer, 2 on white-tailed deer, 24 on barren ground caribou (supposedly adults were among those, judging from the data on norwegian reindeer), 21 on pronghorn, and a total of 130 on wild and domestic sheep and goats, as well as 4 on calves and 7 on unidentified deer. A fairly impressive collection of accounts of eagle predation on animals that outweigh any eagle. And that’s just for North America. If you find a mauled corpse in your garden, do you also require further proof for it having been killed? And please, look at that multitude of tiger kills again. You’ll be sorely disappointed since half of your accounts don’t actually involve a tiger killing any large, adult herbivore, but rather injuring it or killing a youngster… Where is any proof of this? |
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 3:14:41 GMT 5
Really, again? You do know we already posted this and you do know that the Pronghorn got away? Lol.  And for more proof, this is the last image of the entire event. imgur.com/a/eYZxhYea. . . The last image right? i.imgur.com/BksvKl.jpgThe deer dies buddy. Simple knowledge of anatomy will tell you a gaping wound like that = death. The thing probably scrambled away somewhere but it dies, why do I know this? Because no one has ever seen aanother deer with a huge hole in its back. It practically had holes in its lungs. Nice fail tho! |
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:15:11 GMT 5
Only Reindeer calves, and they made up only 8% and absolutely no adults
"ABSTRACT To assess the importance of semi-domesticated reindeer Rangifer tarandus calves in the diet of Golden Eagles Aquila chrysaetos, in Finnmark (northern Norway), we collected prey remains at 37 nests over six years (2001-2006). The study area was divided into 1) a fjord area, which is an important calving area for reindeer, and 2) an inland area where few reindeer give birth. 469 prey items were collected over the years. The diet of eagles was numerically dominated by birds (73% of collected prey items), especially willow/rock ptarmigan Lagopus spp. (51%), while mammals made up 27%, with mountain hare Lepus timidus as the most common species. Remains of reindeer calves were found in half of the nests studied and made up 8.5% of the collected prey items: 13.2% in the fjord area and 6.5% in the inland area. There was a higher chance of finding reindeer calves at nests in the fjord area than inland, and in nests situated in birch forest than in pine forest. The number of reindeer calves in the Golden Eagle diet in Finnmark corroborates well other studies from northern Fermoscandia. The importance of the Golden Eagle as a predator on reindeer can't, however, be assessed here."
And lastly, a pronghorn is a small weaponless animal, even if a couple of cases of predation on adults exist, why in the world would you even try to compare a pronghorn predation to killing a Gaur, Rhino, Elephant, Grizzly, Sloth Bear, Black Bear, Water Buffalo, etc....
It is completely different animals, one is built for speed and speed alone the others I mentioned are all armored, weaponized and massive.
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:16:36 GMT 5
Really, again? You do know we already posted this and you do know that the Pronghorn got away? Lol. And for more proof, this is the last image of the entire event. imgur.com/a/eYZxhYea. . . The last image right? i.imgur.com/BksvKl.jpgThe deer dies buddy. It practically had holes in its lungs. Nice fail tho! "I was the person that photographed the eagle and antelope. I was about 1,850 feet away, reason for the poor quality. The FIRST photo (eagle flying away) in the series should be the LAST. The antelope got away from the eagle. Two hours later the antelope was lying in some sage with two eagles on a power pole near by. Two days later I checked the area and there was no evidence of a kill, no antelope, no birds." What does this say?  |
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:18:52 GMT 5
and is that why the last image on all the images shows the eagle being thrown off the pronghorn? LOL. This is called evidence and proof. You are simply doing the typical "conspiracy theory" nonsense. The guy who photographed this must of been a pronghorn fan and made up the story, right?  |
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 3:19:08 GMT 5
Yea. . . The last image right? i.imgur.com/BksvKl.jpgThe deer dies buddy. It practically had holes in its lungs. Nice fail tho! "I was the person that photographed the eagle and antelope. I was about 1,850 feet away, reason for the poor quality. The FIRST photo (eagle flying away) in the series should be the LAST. The antelope got away from the eagle. Two hours later the antelope was lying in some sage with two eagles on a power pole near by. Two days later I checked the area and there was no evidence of a kill, no antelope, no birds." What does this say? I edited my earlier post. He says no evidence of a kill when referring TO THAT SPOT. If you had any knowledge of anatomy and wounds, a gaping hole that big in your side is a death sentence. The deer was then seen lying in some sage right? Yea, it was dead. |
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 3:20:09 GMT 5
Only Reindeer calves, and they made up only 8% and absolutely no adults "ABSTRACT To assess the importance of semi-domesticated reindeer Rangifer tarandus calves in the diet of Golden Eagles Aquila chrysaetos, in Finnmark (northern Norway), we collected prey remains at 37 nests over six years (2001-2006). The study area was divided into 1) a fjord area, which is an important calving area for reindeer, and 2) an inland area where few reindeer give birth. 469 prey items were collected over the years. The diet of eagles was numerically dominated by birds (73% of collected prey items), especially willow/rock ptarmigan Lagopus spp. (51%), while mammals made up 27%, with mountain hare Lepus timidus as the most common species. Remains of reindeer calves were found in half of the nests studied and made up 8.5% of the collected prey items: 13.2% in the fjord area and 6.5% in the inland area. There was a higher chance of finding reindeer calves at nests in the fjord area than inland, and in nests situated in birch forest than in pine forest. The number of reindeer calves in the Golden Eagle diet in Finnmark corroborates well other studies from northern Fermoscandia. The importance of the Golden Eagle as a predator on reindeer can't, however, be assessed here." And lastly, a pronghorn is a small weaponless animal, even if a couple of cases of predation on adults exist, why in the world would you even try to compare a pronghorn predation to killing a Gaur, Rhino, Elephant, Grizzly, Sloth Bear, Black Bear, Water Buffalo, etc.... It is completely different animals, one is built for speed and speed alone the others I mentioned are all armored, weaponized and massive. They also kill cats  |
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:22:33 GMT 5
"I was the person that photographed the eagle and antelope. I was about 1,850 feet away, reason for the poor quality. The FIRST photo (eagle flying away) in the series should be the LAST. The antelope got away from the eagle. Two hours later the antelope was lying in some sage with two eagles on a power pole near by. Two days later I checked the area and there was no evidence of a kill, no antelope, no birds." What does this say? I edited my earlier post. He says no evidence of a kill when referring TO THAT SPOT. If you had any knowledge of anatomy and wounds, a gaping hole that big in your side is a death sentence. The deer was then seen lying in some sage right? Yea, it was dead. O ok, Ill take your word for it over the guy who was actually there and witnessed the event, photographed it, and monitored it for the following two days. |
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Post by theropod on May 1, 2014 3:23:44 GMT 5
pckts: Regardless of the circumstances, you must acknowledge that antelope is huge compared to the eagle, and that the eagle dished out an impressive amount of damage. Proof of what? Already read the papers I provided?
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 3:24:32 GMT 5
As for the part about no evidence of a kill. The antelope if I'm somehow wrong and didn't particulary die in the sage
- Straggled somewhere else and probably collapsed from shock and blood loss eventually dying thus "no evidence" was present because it didn't die at the scene
- A bear or something ate it and cached it somewhere else
Either way you look at it. The Eagle basically killed that antelope. Whether it was immediately or dying from its wounds
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Post by theropod on May 1, 2014 3:24:56 GMT 5
Only Reindeer calves, and they made up only 8% and absolutely no adults "ABSTRACT To assess the importance of semi-domesticated reindeer Rangifer tarandus calves in the diet of Golden Eagles Aquila chrysaetos, in Finnmark (northern Norway), we collected prey remains at 37 nests over six years (2001-2006). The study area was divided into 1) a fjord area, which is an important calving area for reindeer, and 2) an inland area where few reindeer give birth. 469 prey items were collected over the years. The diet of eagles was numerically dominated by birds (73% of collected prey items), especially willow/rock ptarmigan Lagopus spp. (51%), while mammals made up 27%, with mountain hare Lepus timidus as the most common species. Remains of reindeer calves were found in half of the nests studied and made up 8.5% of the collected prey items: 13.2% in the fjord area and 6.5% in the inland area. There was a higher chance of finding reindeer calves at nests in the fjord area than inland, and in nests situated in birch forest than in pine forest. The number of reindeer calves in the Golden Eagle diet in Finnmark corroborates well other studies from northern Fermoscandia. The importance of the Golden Eagle as a predator on reindeer can't, however, be assessed here." And lastly, a pronghorn is a small weaponless animal, even if a couple of cases of predation on adults exist, why in the world would you even try to compare a pronghorn predation to killing a Gaur, Rhino, Elephant, Grizzly, Sloth Bear, Black Bear, Water Buffalo, etc.... It is completely different animals, one is built for speed and speed alone the others I mentioned are all armored, weaponized and massive. They also kill cats And mustelids, and canids |
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Post by Runic on May 1, 2014 3:25:35 GMT 5
I edited my earlier post. He says no evidence of a kill when referring TO THAT SPOT. If you had any knowledge of anatomy and wounds, a gaping hole that big in your side is a death sentence. The deer was then seen lying in some sage right? Yea, it was dead. O ok, Ill take your word for it over the guy who was actually there and witnessed the event, photographed it, and monitored it for the following two days. Oh really!? So where's my photographs of the tiger attacking and killing the elephant the people there had seen!? You just dug your own grave lol note how the pic with the calf you posted I quote you "didn't capture the kill" ^ lol what? |
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Post by theropod on May 1, 2014 3:28:22 GMT 5
Only Reindeer calves, and they made up only 8% and absolutely no adults "ABSTRACT To assess the importance of semi-domesticated reindeer Rangifer tarandus calves in the diet of Golden Eagles Aquila chrysaetos, in Finnmark (northern Norway), we collected prey remains at 37 nests over six years (2001-2006). The study area was divided into 1) a fjord area, which is an important calving area for reindeer, and 2) an inland area where few reindeer give birth. 469 prey items were collected over the years. The diet of eagles was numerically dominated by birds (73% of collected prey items), especially willow/rock ptarmigan Lagopus spp. (51%), while mammals made up 27%, with mountain hare Lepus timidus as the most common species. Remains of reindeer calves were found in half of the nests studied and made up 8.5% of the collected prey items: 13.2% in the fjord area and 6.5% in the inland area. There was a higher chance of finding reindeer calves at nests in the fjord area than inland, and in nests situated in birch forest than in pine forest. The number of reindeer calves in the Golden Eagle diet in Finnmark corroborates well other studies from northern Fermoscandia. The importance of the Golden Eagle as a predator on reindeer can't, however, be assessed here." And lastly, a pronghorn is a small weaponless animal, even if a couple of cases of predation on adults exist, why in the world would you even try to compare a pronghorn predation to killing a Gaur, Rhino, Elephant, Grizzly, Sloth Bear, Black Bear, Water Buffalo, etc.... It is completely different animals, one is built for speed and speed alone the others I mentioned are all armored, weaponized and massive. You must surely be aware that if the eagles killed an adult reindeer, there would be no way they could carry it into their nests. The paper I gave lists 9 calves and 3 adult females as having been killed by golden eagles. That’s enough proof. A pronghorn is about as small and weaponless compared to an eagle as a gaur is compared to a tiger. And a wolf is far more formidable at parity… Why would you even compare a gaur 2-3 times bigger than the tiger to another carnivore, like a koyote, 2-3 times bigger than the eagle? |
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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:49:48 GMT 5
O ok, Ill take your word for it over the guy who was actually there and witnessed the event, photographed it, and monitored it for the following two days. Oh really!? So where's my photographs of the tiger attacking and killing the elephant the people there had seen!? You just dug your own grave lol note how the pic with the calf you posted I quote you "didn't capture the kill" ^ lol what? Good lord! Did you even look through any of them? This is from a eye witness account, who specifically says they eagle did not kill the pronghorn. The eye witness accountS i listed specifically say the tigers killed the rhino and elephant. So I guess everybody is a liar except for when it backs your claim? I am done with this, it is pointless to debate with you. Eagles kill pronghorn fawn and deer fawn, tigers kill gaur, rhino, elephant, water buffalo etc... Great comparison. |
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