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Post by pckts on May 1, 2014 3:54:50 GMT 5
They also kill cats  And mustelids, and canids And guess what, Cats and Fox kill them.  But you know what eagles never kill... Bobcats. As a matter a fact, lets see the relationship between them.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegwG4QKdNAThat eagle must of abandoned its kill (a fawn btw) because it felt bad for the bobcat. That is also why it ran, because it was worried it was going to hurt the bobcat to bad. |
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Post by theropod on May 1, 2014 16:03:18 GMT 5
Lets face it, the eagle avoided a direct attack by a larger bobcat (demonstrating nicely how that "cat leaps up and plucks eagle out of the air"-stuff doesn’t work!). That means nothing, its absolutely possible the same eagle could have attempted to attack the bobcat as well.
No eagle that attains a body mass comparable to the adult weight of a bobcat coexists with it. And yet, bobcats are on the list of golden eagle diet…
As a matter of fact, we have already discussed that video.
I’m not aware of any accounts were foxes killed eagles, and the only accounts were cats did so are over 100 years old and fairly dubious. On the other hand, golden eagle predation on fox and cats is a commonly recorded ocurrence.
You must realise any predator can get killed by its prey items, and of course also by another predator (tiger vs brown bear for example). Lions and tigers have been recorded to have been killed by warthogs/boars and cape/water buffaloes.
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Post by Weasel on May 4, 2014 6:39:33 GMT 5
Lets face it, the eagle avoided a direct attack by a larger bobcat (demonstrating nicely how that "cat leaps up and plucks eagle out of the air"-stuff doesn’t work!). That means nothing, its absolutely possible the same eagle could have attempted to attack the bobcat as well. No eagle that attains a body mass comparable to the adult weight of a bobcat coexists with it. And yet, bobcats are on the list of golden eagle diet… As a matter of fact, we have already discussed that video. I’m not aware of any accounts were foxes killed eagles, and the only accounts were cats did so are over 100 years old and fairly dubious. On the other hand, golden eagle predation on fox and cats is a commonly recorded ocurrence. You must realise any predator can get killed by its prey items, and of course also by another predator (tiger vs brown bear for example). Lions and tigers have been recorded to have been killed by warthogs/boars and cape/water buffaloes. I think the bobcat just wanted to scare it off. Golden eagles never kill adult bobcats no eagle kills adult bobcats on that matter. Oh wait, don't tell me your going to bring up your "martial eagle can kill serval kitten so it can definitely kill an adult bobcat" argument  It's actually quite rare for eagles to kill adult cats, its even rare for them to kill 8 pound domesticated or semi domesticated cats ! |
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Post by theropod on May 4, 2014 13:28:51 GMT 5
Certainly that was its main aim. Doesn’t mean it didn’t make a serious jump for it, because from the speed it all happens you can see it really did try to catch it.
If it just wanted to drive the eagle away, it could have approached more slowly. The eagle would have behaved the same way.
Now, give me some evidence of cats killing adult eagles of comparable size, please!
The point being that the predatory capabilities (in case you haven’t noticed, that was the initial subject here, cats supposedly being "the best" extant macropredators, which is utter hogwash) of eagles and several other extant carnivores can in fact easily match those of felids.
Just live with it, it is a fact that birds of prey, varanids, mustelids and canids take prey of a comparable relative size. Felids are not as unique as some people would like to believe.
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Post by Weasel on May 4, 2014 21:02:40 GMT 5
Yeah but don't use serval kittens and domestic/semi domestic cats.
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Post by theropod on May 4, 2014 21:10:48 GMT 5
Again, killing a serval "kitten" or a domestic cats requires the same capabilities that killing a supposedly more formidable felid of the same size would. It doesn’t really matter whether it is a bengal tiger or a hypothetical serval the size of a bengal tiger as long as its opponent is capable of letally injuring it.
Most domestic cats, unless they are totally spoiled pets, are competent hunters and spend most of their time outside. The "domesticated-excuse" doesn’t work with them.
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Post by Runic on May 4, 2014 21:21:25 GMT 5
And mustelids, and canids And guess what, Cats and Fox kill them. But you know what eagles never kill... Bobcats. As a matter a fact, lets see the relationship between them.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegwG4QKdNAThat eagle must of abandoned its kill (a fawn btw) because it felt bad for the bobcat. That is also why it ran, because it was worried it was going to hurt the bobcat to bad. There's only one case of a fox killing an eagle, and it ambushed the bird at night. Meanwhile there's also a video on YouTube of a bobcat being chased off by a grounded Golden Eagle. |
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 1:27:03 GMT 5
Yeah but don't use serval kittens and domestic/semi domestic cats. Well thats because they cant use a single account of a bobcat or actually wild adult cat. Yet you can show them a actual video of a bobcat making a attempt at a eagle and stealing its kill at the same time. And the bobcat looks to be smaller than the eagle as well. |
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 1:32:47 GMT 5
Again, killing a serval "kitten" or a domestic cats requires the same capabilities that killing a supposedly more formidable felid of the same size would. It doesn’t really matter whether it is a bengal tiger or a hypothetical serval the size of a bengal tiger as long as its opponent is capable of letally injuring it. Most domestic cats, unless they are totally spoiled pets, are competent hunters and spend most of their time outside. The "domesticated-excuse" doesn’t work with them. A kitten vs an adult?  ?? Good lord. Thats like saying killing a buffalo baby is the same as killing a buffalo. Domestic cats are just that, DOMESTICATED. They have not been bred to live in the wild, they have nothing comparable in terms of size, weaponry, claw size, fang size, limb girth, skull size, biteforce, strength, leaping ability, attitude, lessons learned by hunting wild animals and most importantly, domestic cats do NOT go by the law of the wild, survival of the fittest. The are free to breed fat nonathletic cat with some other fat spoiled cat. Why is this even a debate? |
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 1:34:06 GMT 5
And guess what, Cats and Fox kill them. But you know what eagles never kill... Bobcats. As a matter a fact, lets see the relationship between them.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegwG4QKdNAThat eagle must of abandoned its kill (a fawn btw) because it felt bad for the bobcat. That is also why it ran, because it was worried it was going to hurt the bobcat to bad. There's only one case of a fox killing an eagle, and it ambushed the bird at night. Meanwhile there's also a video on YouTube of a bobcat being chased off by a grounded Golden Eagle. Fox killed the eagle. END OF DEBATE. And once again, there is a quick snapshot of a bobcat dodging a eagles attempt and still circling to attack. NEVER gets chased off. So stop misinforming. If I am wrong, feel free to post it right here and I will admit it. |
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 1:43:12 GMT 5
And guess what, Cats and Fox kill them. But you know what eagles never kill... Bobcats. As a matter a fact, lets see the relationship between them.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegwG4QKdNAThat eagle must of abandoned its kill (a fawn btw) because it felt bad for the bobcat. That is also why it ran, because it was worried it was going to hurt the bobcat to bad. There's only one case of a fox killing an eagle, and it ambushed the bird at night. Meanwhile there's also a video on YouTube of a bobcat being chased off by a grounded Golden Eagle. Is this what you're talking about? www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG9ovojbhS0Because as you can see, the only animal doing the stalking is the Bobcat. Easily avoids the half hearted lunge only to continue its stalk. |
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Post by theropod on May 6, 2014 21:39:27 GMT 5
pckts: I see you once again managed to not read what I wrote: "killing a serval "kitten" or a domestic cats requires the same capabilities that killing a supposedly more formidable felid of the same size would"There’s a difference between what you call a kitten and an actual "kitten". It’s fairly clear those weren’t real kittens, their coloring would have been different.  Does that look like a kiitten to you? I really don’t need to repeat myself again on that matter, just go and read what you are replying to. and I presume you are going to make a very long, well-sourced post proving that? An injured, caged eagle was supposedly killed by a fox. A very different thing. Eagles also kill foxes, healthy unconstrained ones… Lol, the eagle was more than holding its ground. So much for cats supposedly being superior fighters to eagles…
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 22:50:38 GMT 5
That is 100% a kitten. And already clearly discussed on Carnivoria forums and every where else the picture is posted. So once again, Pointless. Do I need to post how Darwinism works? Fine. A domestic cat's survival is not dictated on hunting or fighting or avoiding predators or being able to sustain life through harsh times and good times. A domestic cat gets fed whenever it whines, it sleeps on beds in the safety of its owners home. It is protected, given medicine when sick and lastly, it is a hybrid bred with different cats for years and years to make sure its temperament is the most accommodating to a human. Meaning it must be loving, gentle, and friendly. Those traits will lead it to death in the wild. Do I really need to explain this? "Lol, the eagle was more than holding its ground. So much for cats supposedly being superior fighters to eagles…" The vid is 5 secs long and the cat avoids to lunge and continues to stalk the bird. How is that "holding its own? ??" The most notable thing to take away from that is, the bird is forced to stay on the ground because it cant afford to attempt to fly while the cat is close or it will grab it out of mid air while its occupied. This shows that if a eagle where even going to attempt on a adult bobcat it would be foolish because if it failed it would be over for the bird. |
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Post by pckts on May 6, 2014 22:59:53 GMT 5
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Post by creature386 on May 6, 2014 23:20:02 GMT 5
Do I need to post how Darwinism works? Fine. A domestic cat's survival is not dictated on hunting or fighting or avoiding predators or being able to sustain life through harsh times and good times. A domestic cat gets fed whenever it whines, it sleeps on beds in the safety of its owners home. It is protected, given medicine when sick and lastly, it is a hybrid bred with different cats for years and years to make sure its temperament is the most accommodating to a human. Meaning it must be loving, gentle, and friendly. Those traits will lead it to death in the wild. Do I really need to explain this? But in exchange, they play a lot and hunt a lot by themselves. Both improves their reflexes and their killing instinct is kept. This website elaborates on this: www.sheknows.com/pets-and-animals/articles/6563/are-cats-smarter-than-dogsSurvival of the fittest
Let's face it, cats are more independent and self-suffient than dogs. They don't require nearly the amount of work or attention as dogs. Cats can survive for days with just a bowl of food and water. So go ahead — take that weekend vacation. Lilly is fine!
Cats don't need to be walked or exercised either. They don't need to be let outside every time they have to go to the bathroom nor do they have to be bathed. So, cats exercise, potty train and bathe themselves. Dog's can't. Sorry, puppy lovers, this one goes to the cats. |
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It's actually quite rare for eagles to kill adult cats, its even rare for them to kill 8 pound domesticated or semi domesticated cats ! 
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