Death penalty, yes or no?

[Supercommunist]

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think of lobotomies?

[Supercommunist]

But there’s a big difference between that and someone who kills another person in a fight, or someone who might even have only acted in self defence, this not being believed by the authorities.

People rarely get the death penalty for those acts. In fact, there isn't really a punishable offense for the latter of the two.

[theropod]

Dec 15, 2014 11:00:24 GMT 5 Supercommunist said:

But there’s a big difference between that and someone who kills another person in a fight, or someone who might even have only acted in self defence, this not being believed by the authorities.

People rarely get the death penalty for those acts. In fact, there isn't really a punishable offense for the latter of the two.

That's the point. But rarely is still too often, and it's also not fair that some people do and others don't.

[creature386]

It depends. In Europe, people indeed sometimes get punished for self defence, but in America, it is even OK to shoot someone if it is for defence.

[theropod]

It’s a matter of correct asessment of the incident by the court. It isn’t guaranteed that this is objective, and even if it is there’s no guarantee that the decision is correct. That’s why I think in such cases capital (or other irreversible) punishments shouldn't be constitutional. It’s true tough that American laws as regards self defence are very liberal, that wasn’t my point.

Case in point, hearing of people condemned to a life in prison for murder being later proven innocent is nothing unheard of, but if you kill them straight away it’s too late.

[Vodmeister]

The state pays in return of those who have been innocently locked up in prison for a crime they didn't commit.



www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/06/16/320356084/when-innocent-people-go-to-prison-states-pay


In my opinion, not nearly enough though. $50,000 per year is far too little. That should be at least $500,000 per year, IMO.

[creature386]

$50,000 is OK. After all, more money won't restore the lost lifetime either. And if they try to fight their depressions caused by the jail time via throwing money out of the window, I fear this could end badly.

[Supercommunist]

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150127212158.htm

I thought this was relevant.

[creature386]

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(14)00071-6/abstract
The study said their brains are more resistant to punishment, that doesn't mean that they are immune to it. Learning from punishment is something every intelligent creature with a self preservation instinct as. If such an abnormality can be diagnosed, I think increasing the punishment for them should be enough to make them learn.

[drone]

It's an automatic no, many people have been imprisoned and then released because they were proven innocent, and there are many cases of people executed even if they are innocent. There is no method that can be 100% accurate in identify people, even if the accuracy is 99.9∞ it's still an automatic no.

As others have said, there is no cost benefits or reductions in capital crime from executing people rather than imprisoning them, the former is actually more expensive.

The ridiculously double standard is that prisons actually try to keep death row prisoners alive, even days or hours before execution, this wastes even more money.

Also in my opinion physicians should be strictly prohibited from taking part in any executions, if they do, their medical status should be terminated.

[Deathadder]

I think that death penalties should be enforced only for special cases. Like the South Carolina shooting were 9 church goers died, should be executed brutally. Especially since it was a hate crime (all 9 killed were African Americans). And acts of terrorism should be dealt the same way. Only to prove an example that it is not tolerateted.

[An Goldish Jade]

I would ask only one question, if any of you have someone close become the victim of homocide, what would you think? I doubt you can still behave like here- talk calmly about all of those reason that excutions are "Worng"

[creature386]

A desire for retribution is not a very rational argument which is what we should rather use here.
As harsh as it sounds, but being the loved one of a victim is almost a guarantee for bias.

[An Goldish Jade]

where did i say it can be used as a reason? i stated that if such happend to them, they would not be here talking how "humane" it is to be abolish the penalty

[An Goldish Jade]

I mean, it is wrong to put those that oppose the death penalty in a moral high ground, because you should try to think like the victims first before you say things.