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Post by creature386 on Sept 15, 2017 18:20:57 GMT 5
As harsh as it may sound, but I stay with my position. I don't think that a desire for retribution is one that should play a role in jurisprudence. This has nothing to do with claiming any moral high ground. After all, couldn't one say those who support the death penalty claim a moral high ground as well?
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Post by An Goldish Jade on Sept 16, 2017 9:19:11 GMT 5
but many who oppose the death penalty try to put themselfs on the moral highground, saying that it is "inhumane" and "cruel" as their argunment as well as trying to "prove" that death penalty have no effect on crime rate.
and yes those who support the death penalty can claim a moral high ground, by saying that it is worng to treat scums and degernates nicely even after they did things that are harmful to society, I mean, I doubt many people would see that as right thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 11:22:05 GMT 5
Only under special circumstances but for the most part, no.
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Post by creature386 on Apr 29, 2020 23:41:49 GMT 5
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 17, 2020 3:11:22 GMT 5
Only under special circumstances but for the most part, no. Agreed. Generally, I am against death penalty except in extreme situations. Sometimes being in prison is worst than death if you get picked on by gangs. |
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Post by all on Jun 10, 2020 23:34:00 GMT 5
I'm for the most part against death penalty. First of all some people are innocent of the crimes they are accused off. there are not that many executions in one year in US. But if you count from year 1976 to present there was 1518 executions. And further you go in time the more of them there were. now I believe that 99% of people executed are guilty of the crimes. But that still leaves about 15-16 people who were wrongly executed.
Further more if we bring death penalty to higher crimes. stiff penalties will trickle down to lesser crimes. In some cases stiffer penalty is called for.
But in my opinion justice being served is just a side-effect. The real reason why the executions are done is to either for politicians to rise their popularity or to keep people in check. or better word would be rule over them.
I might believe in execution for serial-killers if their guilt is proven beyond a doubt. The problem is its not that easy to be certain of someones guilt. With modern DNA testing it is lot easier than lets say in London in 18 hundreds. But that still does not mean system is 100% correct.
Even with terrorists its not that simple. for example in my opinion Israel Palestinian conflict is not one sided. what one would call a terrorist the other would not.
The threat should be eliminated then and there if the person survives rarely should death penalty be implemented especially that this person can lead to bigger fish
As far as death penalty in general the road from death penalty for higher crimes and death penalty for lesser crimes is not that long.
Some people believe that any murder deserves death penalty. Without differentiating between crime of passion and deliberate or sadistic crime.
Funny thing Texas has most death penalties while at the same time most corporal punishment in schools. And no I don't think its a coincidence.
Total number of students that receive corporal punishment if 11 states where this is allowable yearly is about 150000
The largest targets of that are minorities and children with mental disabilities.
Road from order to insanity is shorter than one might think. And people who decide on penalties ( not death penalties just regular ones) are often times worse than those who are accused of the crime.
There are now more eviction than ever in US and it happened even before the coronavirus. Evictions lead to poverty poverty leads to crime. The way government works in today world actually encourages eviction rather than not. Those who commit minor crimes are punished. while politicians get away with larger crimes. The more power the government and corporations will have the more likely crime will be happening. With death penalty they will be able to close the noose tighter.
In some places other than US death penalty is given for adultery. And men and women aren't treated equally as far as this goes.
in very extreme circumstances death penalty could be on the table. But this should be reserved for multiple and sadistic crimes.
Sociopath- if committed the kind of crimes that i described in the verse above yes
But there are actually tests to determine if someone is a sociopath or psychopath or not. If someone is called a sociopath and commits a crime that would normally not include death penalty. if there is a death penalty in general step to give death penalty to someone who is guilty of a smaller crime is more tempting.
the problem is while there are tests to determine if someone is a sociopath or a psychopath are not 100% correct. real psychopath is very good at mimicking feelings which means he is more difficult to catch. Someone having slight psychopathic tendencies is easier to catch even though he is less evil.
I get angry very quickly that would make me have sociopathic tendencies. There are many factors that decide that someone is a psychopath. some include lack of remorse lack of conscience no feeling but being able to mimic feelings very well. when someone who sees violence their heart rate goes up, when psychopath sees violence his heart rate goes down. psychopath is manipulative and cold. But there are other factors that decide someone is a psychopath. for example grandiose dreams, and being loner or not very social. I fit into those last two. I have grandiose dreams and I'm not particularly social. I don't fit into any other parts of being psychopath at all. But I fit those two. Which means I have psychopathic tendencies.
In medieval times the death penalty was given to almost any kind of murder. At the same time if you just stole a loaf of bread if you were a child you would get a flogging if you were adult or even in your late teens you could get your hands cut off. With death penalty being served too often this might lead to lesser crimes getting types of punishments that are in my opinion to severe. I would probably rather die than have my hands cut off.
Further more death penalty does not deter crime. Some prisoners actually prefer death penalty.
Some terrorist will die to make a political statement so death does not deter them. And If you are not afraid to die you can make a strong statement with your death especially if you believe you have a higher moral ground.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Oct 12, 2022 4:38:45 GMT 5
Adnan Syed, who was convicted of murdering his former high school girlfriend Hae Min Lee, is now free. His case got a lot of public attention due to a popular podcast called Serial, which delved a lot into his case. A DNA analysis of the victim's shoes revealed that he is not a match, resulting in all charges being dropped. www.wbaltv.com/article/adnan-syed-charges-dropped-baltimore/41585971#Glad this guy wasn't given the death sentence. |
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Post by Grey on Oct 12, 2022 12:53:53 GMT 5
Actor Scott Glenn was a total opponent to the death penalty. When preparing his role as Jack Crawford for the Silence of the lambs, he met legendary FBI profiler John Douglas who made him listen the audio record of the last teenage victim of serial killers Bittaker and Norris...
When quitting Douglas and ever since Scott Glenn has become a definitive supporter of the death penalty. The FBI uses this tape to prepare its recruits, there is a reference to this in the Mindhunter series where the main protagonist is inspired from Douglas.
Some people in peace time are definitely pure evil, they themselves are proud of this...
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