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Post by malikc6 on Dec 17, 2014 14:35:15 GMT 5
Brown/grizzly bears are lb for lb stronger and much more aggressive than their black cousins, but can a black bear stand a chance if it has this weight advantage? Both are males by the way.
Lets say the black bear is 500 lbs against a 400 lbs grizzly.
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Post by creature386 on Dec 17, 2014 19:20:46 GMT 5
Black bear. Maybe it is a bit weaker than the grizzly pound for pound, but nonetheless far from unimpressive.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Dec 18, 2014 0:49:01 GMT 5
I agree, I don't see the grizzly overcoming a 25% size advantage, especially considering how the aforementioned size advantage is in the possession of another bear.
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Dec 22, 2014 18:14:14 GMT 5
I'd call it a 50-50. Size matters, but it isn't everything. Pound for pound, the grizzly is stronger. Any strength advantage here is very slim. The grizzly is normally a more aggressive fighter. But, as you say, the black bear is not unimpressive. An American black bear once killed an African lion.
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Post by Vodmeister on Dec 22, 2014 23:09:30 GMT 5
In the bear world, size matters. Although the grizzly would win at parity, I can't see it overcoming a 25% size disadvantage.
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Post by mechafire on Dec 23, 2014 5:03:11 GMT 5
The brown bear does tend to be more impressive for its size. It has that large hump, and longer claws. However, the black bear gets the edge and in by book.
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Post by malikc6 on Dec 23, 2014 10:56:55 GMT 5
I would say its close, but overall the black bear probably wins this with severe injuries and might die after the fight is over.
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 22, 2015 20:01:37 GMT 5
500 pound black bear vs 400 pound grizzly... you guys seem to think that to decide who is going to win a fight, all you need to do is weigh the adversaries. The grizzly is a natural predator of the black bear. Black bears fear grizzlies. I cannot know what you guys have witnessed in your lives, but I have seen lots of fights; especially in the marines and a few in the army. The big guy does not win every fight. I would give them each a 50-50. I will add, I have yet to read any news of a black bear killing a grizzly.
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Post by theropod on Jan 22, 2015 20:33:07 GMT 5
The grizzly is a natural predator of the black bear. Black bears fear grizzlies. That’s because grizzlies are bigger. But in most fights. Now remove superior fighting techniques that have a far greater impact in human combatants, and it’s size that matters more than anything. In reality, Black bears don”t have a weight advantage. You also won’t find a report of a leopard killing a tiger, that doesn’t mean if the leopard was bigger it wouldn’t come out on top. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jan 23, 2015 13:55:15 GMT 5
I've never read a report of a grizzly killing a black bear larger than himself either. The domination of grizzlies over black bears is mostly due to size. With that being said, at parity I still find grizzlies to be more impressive, although overcoming a 100 lbs weight disadvantage is a tall order.
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Post by Runic on Jan 23, 2015 17:54:40 GMT 5
I've never read a report of a grizzly killing a black bear larger than himself either.
^ because grown up 250lb grizzly don't exist.
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Post by creature386 on Jan 23, 2015 18:08:49 GMT 5
A subadult grizzly vs a black bear would already be similar enough to the case assumed here.
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Post by Vodmeister on Jan 23, 2015 20:18:47 GMT 5
I've never read a report of a grizzly killing a black bear larger than himself either. ^ because grown up 250lb grizzly don't exist. 400 lbs black bears are not uncommon, and some reach up to 700 lbs in extreme cases. Of course my point was that the domination of grizzlies over black bears is mostly due to their natural size advantage, more so than anything else. |
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 23, 2015 20:43:19 GMT 5
The record black bear weighed just over 800 pounds; shot in North Carolina. However, black bears of the Northwest are generally small bears. But, I don't believe that a 500 pound black bear would stand his ground against a 400 pound grizzly. This is not a scenario that can be proven; but it's one that has yet to be witnessed. Probably the only way that the black bear would fight is if he believes himself cornered.
By the way, I had a boxer dog that put down a German shepherd probably twice his weight and did so easily ( over a female ).
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Post by creature386 on Jan 23, 2015 20:58:58 GMT 5
But, I don't believe that a 500 pound black bear would stand his ground against a 400 pound grizzly. This is not a scenario that can be proven; but it's one that has yet to be witnessed. Well, we have many scenarios on WOA that cannot be proven or witnessed (like the ones with dinos), so what is your point? Probably the only way that the black bear would fight is if he believes himself cornered. That is the case for most animals if the opponent is a predator that is not like half of the own weight. How often do grizzlies fight with cougars unless they feel threatened? By the way, I had a boxer dog that put down a German shepherd probably twice his weight and did so easily ( over a female ). Sounds like anecdotal evidence to me. In most cases, weight does matter in a fight. Why else do most professional martial arts have weight classes? |
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