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Post by malikc6 on Feb 1, 2015 8:42:51 GMT 5
I’m afraid I can’t follow the question. Chase after something out of intimidation? If I was intimidated by something, I wouldn’t try to chase it… Obviously polar bears are typically larger than grizzlies, but this is about the specific two individuals in that scene, which seemed similar in size. Note how the narrator’s guesstimate is not explicitely referring to the polar bear shown in the footage. As I already wrote, saying that specific polar bear was 4 times the size of the grizzly is utter BS, there’s no way it is even twice as large. Now, obviously that scene tells us very little, I have already posted examples involving a much smaller black bear, and a much smaller cougar, both behaving aggressively towards a grizzly. That alone certainly does not mean that this is a predator-prey situation. No. I said that the grizzly bear chased the polar bear as an attempt to intimidate them. Trying to psyche another predator out by acting big and bad, not really trying to attack it, but attempt to make it submit. At least that is a possibility. Would a brown bear really want a fight with two polar bears? But it managed to scare them off, or at least intimidate them. |
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Post by creature386 on Feb 1, 2015 15:11:33 GMT 5
Um, from what I understood, you try to defend 0ldgrizz who said that a grizzly bear would fight even if the opponent is larger. So, how is saying "they intimidate larger predators, but don't attack them" relevant (regardless if that has something to do with 0ldgrizz's points or not)?
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Post by malikc6 on Feb 1, 2015 15:20:49 GMT 5
Um, from what I understood, you try to defend 0ldgrizz who said that a grizzly bear would fight even if the opponent is larger. So, how is saying "they intimidate larger predators, but don't attack them" relevant (regardless if that has something to do with 0ldgrizz's points or not)? I did not say that a grizzly bear would fight a much larger opponent. I said that isn't it a possibility that the brown bear perhaps charged the two bears as an attempt to intimidate them, which worked. It's related to the video he posted. |
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Post by theropod on Feb 1, 2015 17:13:22 GMT 5
I only saw one polar bear, slightly larger in one of the videos, similar-sized in the other one, and it certainly wasn’t scared off, neither did it seem too intimidated. Hell, in the first video the polar bear didn’t even move, and in neither did they actually make physical contact! How from that someone could conclude a grizzly would see another bear 25% heavier than itself as prey is just beyond my comprehension.
There are videos of cougars showing aggression towards grizzlies, wolverines towards wolves and honey badgers towards lions. Does that mean the honey badger, wolverine or cougar stands a chance in any of those fight scenarios?
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Post by malikc6 on Feb 1, 2015 17:18:24 GMT 5
I only saw one polar bear, slightly larger in one of the videos, similar-sized in the other one, and it certainly wasn’t scared off, neither did it seem too intimidated. Hell, in the first video the polar bear didn’t even move, and in neither did they actually make physical contact! How from that someone could conclude a grizzly would see another bear 25% heavier than itself as prey is just beyond my comprehension. There are videos of cougars showing aggression towards grizzlies, wolverines towards wolves and honey badgers towards lions. Does that mean the honey badger, wolverine or cougar stands a chance in any of those fight scenarios? Nope it does not. They're just showing that they are willing to fight back, or as an attempt to intimidate them. |
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Post by theropod on Feb 1, 2015 17:24:00 GMT 5
An attempt to intimidate something that’s not serious about killing you, and truly intimidating a larger and more formidable opponent in a fight to the death are two different things.
Those grizzlies did not seem too apt at "chasing off" the polar bears, let alone making them their prey, so why should they regard a 225kg black bear as such?
If there is no account of a grizzly actually fighting and coming out on top over a significantly larger polar or black bear, I’m not going to assume it would do so here. Clips showing a grizzly daring to make a few steps in the direction of a polar bear are not enough. I’ve already given enough examples of smaller predators showing some measure of aggression against as larger one, but that does not mean they would have serious chances against it.
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Post by malikc6 on Feb 1, 2015 17:29:58 GMT 5
I look at it this way. Would that bear actually fight those two polar bears if they had not ran off? Animals bluff like that sometimes in hopes that the enemy will run off, but if it doesn't, then yeah.
I have my doubts on a grizzly bear actually trying to attack a larger black bear though. They generally are more aggressive, but it would be a larger bear, therefore more risky.
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Post by theropod on Feb 1, 2015 18:14:00 GMT 5
There is only one polar bear in each video, and neither of them actually did run off.
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Post by malikc6 on Feb 2, 2015 2:26:12 GMT 5
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Post by theropod on Feb 6, 2015 21:40:11 GMT 5
I see just one polar bear→ (even that one looked rather smaller than the brown bear. If there is more than one polar bear in that sequence, which I can’t seem to catch the slightest glimpse of, then they must have been cubs!), although admittedly the video is too short and blurry to say much, and "back off" is already exageration.
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 19, 2015 23:19:38 GMT 5
There's no way the grizzly bear in that video is "only" 300 lbs if the polar bear is pushing 1,200 lbs.  |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Feb 20, 2015 3:45:16 GMT 5
There's no way the grizzly bear in that video is "only" 300 lbs if the polar bear is pushing 1,200 lbs. Just judging visually I wouldn't be surprised if that Brown bear actually weighed similar to or maybe even more than that polar bear. The polar seems taller but also lankier |
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Post by Vodmeister on Feb 21, 2015 8:23:43 GMT 5
Even at weight parity, I wouldn't consider this to be a complete blow-out in favor of the grizzly (although it is the obvious favorite).
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Feb 23, 2015 3:58:25 GMT 5
Even at weight parity, I wouldn't consider this to be a complete blow-out in favor of the grizzly (although it is the obvious favorite). |
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Post by mechafire on Feb 23, 2015 13:15:21 GMT 5
There's no way the grizzly bear in that video is "only" 300 lbs if the polar bear is pushing 1,200 lbs. Just judging visually I wouldn't be surprised if that Brown bear actually weighed similar to or maybe even more than that polar bear. The polar seems taller but also lankier Might be because the grizzly is closer to the camera. |
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