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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 24, 2015 19:10:37 GMT 5
The 400 pound grizzly, if a mature male ( barren ground grizzly ) would not have to be cornered to go after the 500 pound black bear.
My point - boxers and some other bull breeds usually dominate other dogs, even those double their weight, due to their aggressive nature. The grizzly can be much more aggressive than a black bear.
If the grizzly was to corner the black bear ( 100 pounds heavier ) the fight might go either way... 50-50. Otherwise, there would be no fight.
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Post by creature386 on Jan 24, 2015 20:43:58 GMT 5
And where is the evidence for bears attacking larger predators without being threatened? We should assume a fighting scenario anyway. If there is no fight, there is nothing worth discussing.
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 24, 2015 21:58:17 GMT 5
You believe that when a grizzly sees a black bear, he sees a fearful predator? Really!!? ... I'm done here. It's gotten idiotic.
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Post by theropod on Jan 24, 2015 22:50:41 GMT 5
^That didn’t make sense. Your previous post implied that the black bear would avoid a confrontation if it wasn’t cornered, now you consider that idiotic?
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Post by creature386 on Jan 25, 2015 1:21:19 GMT 5
You believe that when a grizzly sees a black bear, he sees a fearful predator? No, learn to read. I never called one of them fearful. I expressed doubt that a grizzly would take the risk of attacking a larger predator if it is not necessary because the fact that you used "a black bear only fights when cornered" as an argument implies that you think grizzlies fight without being cornered. Where did I call black bears fearful? But if you are done here, fine. So am I. EDIT: Forget it. Fearful can also mean frightening. Your message makes sense now. |
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Post by mechafire on Jan 25, 2015 1:30:02 GMT 5
You believe that when a grizzly sees a black bear, he sees a fearful predator? Really!!? ... I'm done here. It's gotten idiotic. No, because the black bear wouldn't be fearful. |
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 26, 2015 23:44:38 GMT 5
When a grizzly looks at a black bear; he is looking at prey. He will chase it, regardless of the size of the black bear.
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Post by theropod on Jan 27, 2015 0:00:40 GMT 5
Have you read or conducted a study testing the behaviour of grizzlies towards black bears of various sizes? Or have you witnessed an encounter of a grizzly and a larger black bear?
How do you know that size is not the factor that affects their behaviour?
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Post by mechafire on Jan 27, 2015 0:59:05 GMT 5
When a grizzly looks at a black bear; he is looking at prey. He will chase it, regardless of the size of the black bear. No, when it looks at a black bear larger than itself, it will see a strong rival. If it tries to fight it, it will probably lose. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jan 27, 2015 10:09:38 GMT 5
Nile crocodiles are typically dominated by hippopotamus in their natural habitat. That's because a typical Nile is 400 kg, while a typical hippo is 1600 kg. However, that doesn't suddenly mean that a 1000 kg crocodile would be dominated by a 1000 kg hippopotamus.
As I've said before, grizzlies impress me more than black bears at parity. However, do they have enough of a natural advantage at equal mass to overcome a 25% size deficient? I have my doubts.
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Post by theropod on Jan 27, 2015 18:11:56 GMT 5
@oldgrizz doesn’t seem to have those lol
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 31, 2015 20:14:38 GMT 5
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Post by theropod on Jan 31, 2015 20:25:57 GMT 5
A 2 second clip showing a brown bear and a polar bear that seems to be of similar size, if not smaller, several metres apart, neither of them moving more than 2 metres. That proves…what exactly?
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 31, 2015 20:49:18 GMT 5
Those were mature male polar bears ( as is told in the documentary ) and barren ground grizzlies ( 300 pound range ). Here is another video showing that a grizzly can sometimes better a larger predator.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFxiMWyJIjg/b]
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 31, 2015 20:50:46 GMT 5
Bottom line... a mature male grizzly will have no fear what-so-ever of a larger black bear. But, if you disagree, show me a black bear standing his ground against even a grizzly she-bear or even a juvenile grizzly.... I'm waiting.
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