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Post by 0ldgrizz on Dec 26, 2014 19:06:05 GMT 5
At one time, there were both wolves and hyenas in Europe. If the wolf and the hyena both shared the same environment today, which would most often be the dominant pack hunters?
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Post by Vodmeister on Jan 1, 2015 10:12:42 GMT 5
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 1, 2015 12:29:47 GMT 5
I'd like to discuss this again or at least tell my take. Wolves possibly may have more stamina simply because they're canines while hyenas are actually more related to felines, but we don't know for sure. Wolves can run in the snow and without the snow. Hyenas however live in a much hotter area and also have to run. I believe that wolves are more persistent, though hyenas can be quite aggressive to. Wolves fight a lot better and also have better designed forearms for grappling and make better use of their body. For all of you that have seen wolves fight, they can block, dodge very well, and are patient with attacks. They target the eyes, the nose, the throat, groin, and stomach to disable their opponent.
Hyena forearms aren't exactly the best when it comes to grappling, but they have strong big necks, weight, and a stronger crushing bite to cover up for it (size if we are talking female hyenas here). So the wolf fights better, while the hyena is bigger and stronger and more durable. Hyenas also have been known to go for the legs to cripple their opponents, so their stronger bite would give the wolf a huge problem.
I would say the hyena wins more often than not (female hyena). The wolf is a better fighter, but we are talking about an animal that can withstand paw swipes from lions, which wolves cannot. Also a female hyena weighs about 180 lbs (the same as the average man) vs an Alpha male wolf weighing maybe 150 lbs. It would be up against an animal that is bigger, has a stronger bite, and can dish out a lot more damage. The wolf in the beginning of the fight would probably be all over the hyena at first, but the hyena will also be charging and trying to grapple and bite. Eventually it will happen, and the hyena would overtime overpower the wolf and eventually kill it.
Now if its a male hyena vs a big grey wolf, I'm giving it to the wolf, but I think it would be a long fight due to durability alone. This is like a martial artist against a heavier bodybuilder with high pain tolerance and can hit harder with some fighting experience.
Hyena 7/10.
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Post by mechafire on Jan 2, 2015 1:50:03 GMT 5
How is the wolf a better fighter? You say they are better at grappling, but I read a lot of declaring without much reasoning and evidence.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 6:14:37 GMT 5
How is the wolf a better fighter? You say they are better at grappling, but I read a lot of declaring without much reasoning and evidence. Have you watched the way wolves fight? Even wolf hunters would describe how they would fight off several dogs all by themselves. Here is a video of them fighting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLdGfO1hoJkThey target the eyes, throat, face, the back, and other extremities. They also make better use of their body and are more agile. There was a video of hyenas fighting, but it got deleted. |
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Post by mechafire on Jan 2, 2015 8:03:07 GMT 5
As if hyenas haven't held their own against several dogs at once.
Attacking the face, neck, belly, etc. is something most predators tend to do. And hyenas aim for extremities too.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 10:08:42 GMT 5
As if hyenas haven't held their own against several dogs at once. Attacking the face, neck, belly, etc. is something most predators tend to do. And hyenas aim for extremities too. That isn't the video I was speaking of. There was one specifically I was looking for which showed a one on one fight rather than fighting several hyenas all at once. Yes hyenas have fought multiple dogs all at once, but that video showed how the two fight differently overall. Also wolves seem to have better designed forearms for grappling and better hindquarters for dodging, and they are more agile. Though that could also be debated but I'm very sure that wolves are quicker. In any case, it wouldn't make a difference, as the hyena would still win from being a lot more durable and a weight advantage. At parity, its hard for me to decide yet. |
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 10:16:41 GMT 5
I have no clue on which animal has more stamina. Wolves can fight, hunt, and run rather well in deep snow and have large lungs, but hyenas do exactly the same thing in the burning heat. Which animal has the most stamina?
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Post by mechafire on Jan 2, 2015 11:22:58 GMT 5
Why is a wolf's forelimbs batter for grappling? I don't think they're stronger. Is it the claws or something?
In stamina. I feel comfortable saying they are about equals. Both of them run down and tire out prey animals. Whatever the difference is, it probably isn't much.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 11:37:01 GMT 5
Why is a wolf's forelimbs batter for grappling? I don't think they're stronger. Is it the claws or something? In stamina. I feel comfortable saying they are about equals. Both of them run down and tire out prey animals. Whatever the difference is, it probably isn't much. They're not that better for grappling actually. I just read more on this debate and ran into this. carnivoraforum.com/topic/9329673/1/One user showed how the two fight very similar. Also, both animals target the hindquarters and flanks as well. The wolf has agility on its side to help grapple it, but that is about it. I still would like to research on which animal has the most stamina though. You got one animal that runs in the heat, and another that runs in the snow. Wolves have also hunted for days according to this one video of a wolf pack attacking a big bison for like 36 hours or more. |
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Post by mechafire on Jan 2, 2015 14:19:42 GMT 5
The wolf might be more agile, but I think the hyena is the better grappler. Just based on its power neck and upper body. That would be more advantageous in controlling the opponent.
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Post by creature386 on Jan 2, 2015 15:58:59 GMT 5
Well, BlackIce posted that the wolf has an a bit weaker bite force, but an overall more useful feeding apparatus for grappling, so I doubt that.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 16:00:12 GMT 5
They may just be equal, but the hyena is still more durable and has a decent weight advantage. And I think at parity, the hyena still wins. Simply too tough of an animal for the wolf, but it would put up quite a fight in my opinion. I wonder if humans have ever had them fight before.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 16:05:04 GMT 5
Well, BlackIce posted that the wolf has an a bit weaker bite force, but an overall more useful feeding apparatus for grappling, so I doubt that. I tell ya, blackice doesn't mess around when it comes to debating about wolves. But some of his posts made me look at the wolf differently. I actually thought that a 100 lb cougar could kill a wolf 50 lbs heavier than it! I severely overestimated cats simply because of its forearms and claws. Now I see wolves much stronger than originally. |
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 16:09:32 GMT 5
Another thing I wanna say (some may disagree), there are human males who have killed wolves one on one. I personally give an average human male who is not scared and fights hard has a slight advantage over the wolf and could win. But I doubt a man can win against a hyena. Maybe fight long enough to chase the hyena off, but surely not kill it unless its an exceptionally strong human who knows how to choke very well, and leopards have choked out hyenas for 30 mins straight, and the hyenas didn't die!
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