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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 4, 2013 6:47:50 GMT 5
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 4, 2013 6:54:04 GMT 5
This publication is from 1939, in this document Clyde Beatty says he lost 25 tigers killed by lions, but no lion was killed (at least not in the hands of a tiger). Thereafter, Beatty continued working with these animals for over twenty years. Obvious that more accidents occurred during this time.
The fact that out of 25 fights, the Tiger died every time, makes me take his words with a grain of salt. Beatty always had a crush on Lions, more so than Tigers, and he's been arrested in the past for staging deliberate fights between these animals.
Clyde was also charged for spraying ammonia in a Tigers face before pitting it against a Lion, he did have a strong biased in favor of Lions, his fights were true, but not nessecary fair.
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Post by Grey on Jun 4, 2013 7:05:46 GMT 5
Scientists have crush, circus trainer have crush, forumers have crush...
This match is one pain in the ass.
BTW, Beatty was a true b***** for doing this to the animals and cruelly unadvantaging one kind of them.
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 4, 2013 7:22:27 GMT 5
Scientists have crush, circus trainer have crush, forumers have crush... This match is one pain in the ass. How boring would this world be if everyone agreed with everyone on everything?  Agree, he was even arrested for it, on multiple occasions. He pitted one Tigress against multiple male Lions   |
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Post by LeopJag on Jun 4, 2013 7:48:04 GMT 5
 is this photoshop? about the only other big cat i've seen with forelimbs this proportionally massive (or close) have been jaguars.. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 4, 2013 9:40:48 GMT 5
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Post by Runic on Jun 4, 2013 9:52:37 GMT 5
HOLY SH*T AT THA LIONESS!!!
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Jun 4, 2013 10:05:59 GMT 5
The tigers look more impressive than the lions you showed, that lioness is clearly powerful but her position makes them look bigger.
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Post by elosha11 on Jun 5, 2013 20:12:31 GMT 5
I'm glad we've added this classic conflict. I don't know if we'll reach 100+ pages like carnivora. Some sites like yuku and ava I think have even longer debates. But it is a classic and should be thoroughly explored here. I note that boldchamp just recently joined. I have always appreciated the incredible amount of information he has on this fight, he's been defending the lion for years now and is quite good at it. I do think he's a bit biased  , such as stating in carnivora that the lion would win 9/10 times. But he does often back up his arguments with evidence, so I respect his posts. Boldchamp, please feel free to start joining in here. As for my opinion, I have always thought this is 50/50 and individual-specific. There are just too many accounts of fights going both ways to find that either animal has a clear cut advantage. |
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Post by creature386 on Jun 5, 2013 20:36:10 GMT 5
Actually, 9/10 is only his definition of one animal being noticeably superior, not it being a mismatch, as in his opinion, a 6/10 would mean that there are hardly differences (Although, I believe this would apply quite well here).
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 7, 2013 3:54:20 GMT 5
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Post by guategojira on Mar 26, 2014 4:57:16 GMT 5
The tiger will in 6/10 of the times.
The head of the lion is longer, but the head of the tiger is wider (tiger bite is stronger). However, the differences between them are in the range of 1-3 cm. The longest lion skull is of 432 cm (Rowland Ward, 1914) and the longest tiger skull is of 413 cm (Hewett, 1938).
Average South African lion: 380 mm – Yamaguchi et al., 2009.
Average Amur tiger: 367 mm – Mazák, 1983.
Average Bengal tiger: 353 mm – Mazák, 1983.
It will be safe to say that both cats have similar sized heads.
There is a myth that lions have larger forequarters and tiger larger hindquarters, but this is not true. If you look the measurements available, tigers have the wider forequarters in relation with the arm length. Besides, they are much more muscular and the photographic evidence also suggests this. Besides, Bengal tigers have the largest chest girths among Panthera members, which suggest an even larger frontal part for the tiger. In hind legs, both cats are similar and have good leaping capabilities.
Finally, the mane will not play a lot in the fight, after all, there is even one case of a tigress killing a male lion when she manage to rip the belly of the male.
At the end, all the morphological and ecological issue is about 75% of the fight, the other 25% is psychological, this can’t be quantified and it will depend entirely of the individual.
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Post by mechafire on Mar 27, 2014 9:03:40 GMT 5
The ultimate battle. And the ultimate stalemate.
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Post by guategojira on Mar 27, 2014 9:10:54 GMT 5
Yes, I think that the best thing that we can say is: Neutral person: 50/50.  Tiger fans: 6/10 for tiger, been unbiased. Lion fans: 6/10 for lion, been unbiased. Tigers and lions in the wild: We don’t care, just stop hunting us!!!  Fair words, don’t you think? |
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Post by pckts on Mar 28, 2014 0:10:05 GMT 5
I use to think the tiger would win. But after seeing all the advantages for the lion on several threads I'm switching to the lion. Its head is larger, it's more robust, has stronger forequarters, and a protective mane. Tigers have wider heads, heavier skulls, and about the same length. Tigers have far larger forequarters, they average 2'' larger in forearm and bicep measurements as well as more developed and larger rear muscles as well. They are 25-50kg heavier on average with a longer body length and almost identical shoulder heights, maybe slightly shorter on average, but very close to even. Most importantly, tigers have 16% larger brains. |
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, such as stating in carnivora that the lion would win 9/10 times. But he does often back up his arguments with evidence, so I respect his posts. Boldchamp, please feel free to start joining in here.
