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Post by mountainlord on Nov 8, 2019 0:24:42 GMT 5
mountainlord I am in the profession of academics and I would tell you that books aren't 100% accurate or free of narrative bias on average. Many books are not peer-reviewed, and 'narrative accounts' are to be treated with "caution."
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Post by Life on Nov 8, 2019 0:39:22 GMT 5
mountainlord I am in the profession of academics and I would tell you that books aren't 100% accurate or free of narrative bias on average. Many books are not peer-reviewed, and 'narrative accounts' are to be treated with "caution."
Anyways, I'll discuss with you tomorrow, I'm busy right now. I gotta go.Professions do not necessarily address 'personal/narrative biases'. People have believed in/propagated falsehood through the ages. I have posted a video from one of the Indian forest department officers which is actually a compilation of several tiger-elephant interactions in the wild and the tiger is witnessed giving ground to an adult elephant in 90% of these interactions. These are actual documented observations, and not one of those "narrative accounts." An adult elephant is likely to charge towards a tiger and force it to flee - common behavior to protect elephant young. Predation on an adult elephant is gigantic dinosaurian territory - tiger is nowhere close to being as large and capable. Even a pride of lions will find it very difficult to bring down an adult elephant (refer to the legendary Suvati pride). Although, African elephants are bigger than Indian elephants on average. Unless an adult elephant is really sick (or injured) + unguarded, predation is unlikely. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 8, 2019 0:43:44 GMT 5
LifeTHANKS a million for keeping all your wits and manners about you during intense debate, unlike a certain SOMEONE who blows their top 100% the moment someone disagrees with them
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Post by brobear on Nov 8, 2019 1:47:05 GMT 5
( 1948 ). in Winter of 1982, the main forester of the reserve Kirst and A.D. saiko observed the pursuit by a tiger of a male brown bear more than 500 m. attacking a bear running away along the valley of the key from the terrace of the narrow end of the water-business, and without killing him, the tiger slipped to intercept a bear hundreds of meters from where and made a new attack from an ambush, trying to cling to his neck. the tiger managed As a result, get a bear.
*This is what this rediculous post looks like when put together. Little letters that should be capitalized; and vice-versa.
How did they report in 1948 what happened in 1982?
"the tiger slipped to intercept *a bear ... another bear. This ( evidence ) is crap.
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Post by brobear on Nov 8, 2019 1:51:28 GMT 5
I'm finished here Mountain Lord. I don't have the time to waste researching fake sites and arguing with juvenile delinquents.  |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 8, 2019 2:38:11 GMT 5
I'm finished here Mountain Lord. I don't have the time to waste researching fake sites and arguing with juvenile delinquents. The sites are not fake. As mountainlord said, it's just what the studies got. |
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Post by sam1 on Nov 8, 2019 18:11:47 GMT 5
I voted for the tiger simply because the usuri bears are now on average much smaller than before, and even slightly below the tiger in weight.
At parity, tiger has the edge over the bear but it's not a big one.
Vs. a lion btw, I think the way tiger fights makes it a favorite. It's a low to the ground, leopard-like kind of fighting technique whereas the lion is more of a slugger.
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Post by mountainlord on Nov 8, 2019 20:09:30 GMT 5
That sounds like an excuse. Even forest departments, leading tiger authorities and officials have reported accounts of tigers killing adult elephants. Their 100% legit, no doubt.
Anyways, I'll discuss with you tomorrow, I'm busy right now. I gotta go. Professions do not necessarily address 'personal/narrative biases'. People have believed in/propagated falsehood through the ages. I have posted a video from one the Indian forest department officers which is actually a compilation of several tiger-elephant interactions in the wild and the tiger is witnessed giving ground to an adult elephant in 90% of these interactions. These are actual documented observations, and not one of those "narrative accounts." An adult elephant is likely to charge towards a tiger and force it to flee - common behavior to protect elephant young. Predation on an adult elephant is gigantic dinosaurian territory - tiger is nowhere close to being as large and capable. Even a pride of lions will find it very difficult to bring down an adult elephant (refer to the legendary Suvati pride). Although, African elephants are bigger than Indian elephants on average. Unless an adult elephant is really sick (or injured) + unguarded, predation is unlikely.
No one is saying that a tiger just attacks and "OUTRIGHT" kills the Elephant on the spot. The tiger jumps on the back, mauls the Elephant, the Elephant receives severe injuries and then slowly bleeds out and dies. Its that simple.
Here's an account reported by forest officials, of a tiger that attacked and critically injured a full-grown Bull tusker Elephant:
"Last night, a Royal Bengal tiger that sneaked into the swamp a couple of days back, attacked a bull elephant after killing a buffalo."
"Villagers spotted the critically injured elephant this morning and informed the forest department, another forest official said."
www.telegraphindia.com/states/north-east/foresters-await-nod-to-sedate-herd-jumbos-camping-in-swamp/cid/568603
Now, this was reported and confirmed by forest officials/department - now are you gonna claim that this account is also unreliable? |
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Post by mountainlord on Nov 8, 2019 20:41:24 GMT 5
( 1948 ). in Winter of 1982, the main forester of the reserve Kirst and A.D. saiko observed the pursuit by a tiger of a male brown bear more than 500 m. attacking a bear running away along the valley of the key from the terrace of the narrow end of the water-business, and without killing him, the tiger slipped to intercept a bear hundreds of meters from where and made a new attack from an ambush, trying to cling to his neck. the tiger managed As a result, get a bear. *This is what this rediculous post looks like when put together. Little letters that should be capitalized; and vice-versa. How did they report in 1948 what happened in 1982? "the tiger slipped to intercept *a bear ... another bear. This ( evidence ) is crap.
Researchgate is the worlds top leading scientific website thats posted over one MILLION peer-reviewed scientific studies and articles, you joker. You haven't got a clue. Go ahead, RUN AWAY from this debate because you know for a fact that I destroyed you and exposed your lies.
You made many claims, but never posted a shred of proof to back them up, period. You were exposed about Misha "being" Dale. You refused to address all those fight statistics I posted from experts, that clearly proved that the tiger is the USUAL WINNER in a fight against the Brown bear. You blatantly ignored many of the evidences and accounts I posted, because you know you can't refute them. You have no answer at all.
Now, everyone, watch me expose this two-faced Bear fanatic once and for all.....
On Wildfact, Brobear is a totally different person. He tries to convince people that he's "NOT BIASED" and a neutral person who's looking for the "truth".
Now when Brobear joined this forum - He immediately claimed that a full-grown male Grizzly bear is "too powerful a foe" for any big cat. Now look at his posts on Wildfact, which expose his two-faced personality....
Brobear clearly says that he is SURE that tigers have killed full-grown male Grizzlies in fights in the wild:
Brobear says here that he thinks there's probably been HUNDREDS of cases of tigers killing full-grown, mature healthy male Grizzly bears:
Brobear admits here that he was WRONG about tigers "miscalculating" the bears size, when they attacked bears upwards of 440lbs:
You see Brobear, you think I haven't read your posts on other forums. You are a blatant HYPOCRITE, a liar and a deluded Bear fanatic, who has the nerve to criticise and call top leading scientific websites (Created by renowned experts) "fake". Thats how sad and desperate you've become.
You asked for an account of a tiger killing a male Brown bear, and when the CONFIRMED account was provided to you, you simply couldn't take it, period. You have been blinded and deluded by your fanaticism of bears. |
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Post by mountainlord on Nov 13, 2019 19:00:58 GMT 5
BrobearWhy do you lie so much? After our debate, you went on your forum and talked shit about "Big cat fanboyz" and indirectly called me a "juvenile delinquent"!! The same guy who called a leading scientific website like "Researchgate"..."FAKE". The same guy who never posted a shred of proof to back-up his bold claims. The same guy who repeatedly refused to address all the fight statistics I posted which refuted all your made-up claims and clearly proved that the tiger is the usual winner in a fight against a Brown bear.Brobear says here that he can admit when he's "wrong"....LMAO, No you can't. You've been continuously denying blatant irrefutable evidence even when its thrown in your face repeatedly. You still deny the truth. Your nothing but a liar and hypocrite, plain an simple. Brobear came on this forum and posted nothing but old, unreliable CAPTIVE accounts and some "pitted fights" reported by very old newspapers, now watch this.....Brobear outright says here that the old newspaper fight accounts have a habit of distorting the facts and some of those staged fights could have been FIXED by crooked gamblers! Brobear states here that him and his fellow Bear fanatics don't "make-up their own history and science." Yeah Brobear, you only call renowned scientific websites "Fake"....you repeatedly run away from addressing all the fight statistics I posted showing the tigers dominance in a fight, which also debunked and exposed all your wild made-up claims. And you still can't admit the fact that "Misha" is NOT "Dale"...even when I posted clear-cut evidence in your face which confirmed it to be a fact!I'm sorry, but your a two-faced LIAR and a joke. Your "Domain of Bears" forum is a so-called "reality" only in the world where all you super-biased and deluded Bear fanatics live in.Now here's your fellow moderator "Tom" also saying that those staged captive fights are unreliable and could have easily been rigged: Tom acknowledges the fact that its what happens in the WILD, not captivity, which is important. He also acknowledges the fact that a fight over a kill dispute truly determines who's more dominant and superior. Brobear you 100% agreed with him.So Brobear, when I posted fight statistics of kill-disputes from Russian authorities, which clearly showed the tiger is the far more dominant and superior animal, why couldn't you even address those accounts I posted?? Why did you completely ignore them?....For example:From undisputed Russian authority on Tigers vs Bears - Rukovsky....www.piterhunt.ru/Library/rukovskiy/po_sledam_lesnih_zverey/9.htmThe tiger completely dominated the Brown bear, 11 - 2 in fights over kills.
Rukovsky even stated that in fights between large tigers and large brown bears, only in RARE cases does the tiger lose. Again confirming that the tiger is the (As a rule) usual winner in a fight against a Brown bear, period.Now according to you and Tom, its what happens in the wild (Esp over a kill-dispute) that truly determines who's superior, so why didn't you address or acknowledge this fight statistic I posted? Why don't you admit the truth now?...Why don't you acknowledge the fact that in 44 direct fights between tigers and Brown bears, the tigers won a SIGNIFICANT amount more, killing the Brown bear 22 times, with the bear only having 12 wins?
Brobear, your very, very easy to expose and debunk. I've shown everyone here your true colours.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 13, 2019 19:37:35 GMT 5
mountainlordI'm not sure what you mean about the first screenshot. What is it?
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Post by mountainlord on Nov 14, 2019 0:30:25 GMT 5
mountainlord I'm not sure what you mean about the first screenshot. What is it?
I literally exposed him by his own posts! LOL....
Anyways, check this out - "Kodiak" aka "Pablo" got BANNED and EXPOSED by Peter!
The same guy who spams screen-shots of Peters posts, deliberately takes Peters quotes OUT OF CONTEXT to suit his agenda, twists Peters words and statements and deliberately leaves out and ignores all the other parts of Peters posts where he favours the tiger over the Brown bear.
Now, the same guy who Pablo dick-sucked for all this time has exposed him for the deceitful troll that he is. Pablo aka Kodiak was under another alias on Wildfact forum as "Roberto".
From Peter:
wildfact.com/forum/topic-questions-related-to-problems-you-faced-while-using-wildfact?pid=94399#pid94399
My work here is done. I've easily exposed both Kodiak and Brobear for their blatant lies and deceit in this debate and topic.
Their both a pair of Bear fanatics that will never admit the truth, period. Kodiak in particular is a very, very severely mentally disturbed person. If I showed you his other posts from other forums, you'll be sick to your stomach of what he says about animals and other people who disagree with him.
Kodiak aka Pablo is a very, very INSECURE Bear fanatic, who's clearly not sure or confident of his beliefs.
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Post by creature386 on Nov 17, 2019 14:55:25 GMT 5
No-one cares for your backstory on other forums. I get its not always possible to remain 100% polite, but stretching an ad hominem over several posts is beyond childish. You have been already tempo-banned once because of that, so be warned.
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Post by mountainlord on Nov 17, 2019 18:58:25 GMT 5
No-one cares for your backstory on other forums. I get its not always possible to remain 100% polite, but stretching an ad hominem over several posts is beyond childish. You have been already tempo-banned once because of that, so be warned.
Now, if Brobear wants to continue this debate with me, then thats fine. Lets do it. If he doesn't, then thats okay too, I'm done addressing his posts. |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Nov 22, 2019 14:44:36 GMT 5
Here we go:
There's also a recent confirmed account from biologists, of a man that killed a 400lb Grizzly bear with his bare hands! No man in his dreams could ever do that to a tiger. The cougar driving away the grizzly is impressive. It seems that mother animals get aggressive when defending their young  :  www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5453995/Fight-tiger-bear-caught-film-India.htmlA man killing a 400 pound brown bear with his barehands is as believable as a leopard killing a tiger:  |
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