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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2020 6:07:24 GMT 5
The closed topic: SIBERIAN TIGERS COMPLETELY AVOID ADULT MALE BROWN BEARS
It is completely true proven fact.
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Post by tijkil on Feb 18, 2020 8:35:59 GMT 5
The closed topic: SIBERIAN TIGERS COMPLETELY AVOID ADULT MALE BROWN BEARS It is completely true proven fact.You are dreaming as usual. |
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Post by guategojira on Feb 19, 2020 21:13:20 GMT 5
2 - About the age of the bears in the sample, the same can be said about the tigers, they used tigers over 3 years old, which are sexually mature but not fully grow, so no fully adult. Still this is what scientists normally do, they put sexually mature animals like "adults" and that is all, there is nothing we can do. Does the 270 kg average for the Bear come from a sample of 'sexually matured' or 'fully grown' animals? If it is the former then these Bears are very large, like Coastal brown bears large. Can you clarify this? Sorry, the table only says "adults" and doesn't give more details, except that those brown bears are from Sikhote Alin BZ. |
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Post by brobear on Mar 6, 2020 5:20:10 GMT 5
The brown bear, Ursus arctos lasiotus, has been sharing the Russian taiga with the Amur tiger now going on one million years I would think. And yet not one single verified account of a tiger ever killing a mature healthy brown bear boar under any circumstances. But the big male brown bear has been known to displace the mature male tiger from his kill.
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Post by Revenant7451 on Mar 6, 2020 12:19:23 GMT 5
HOW IS THIS THREAD THIS BIG
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Mar 6, 2020 12:23:20 GMT 5
HOW IS THIS THREAD THIS BIG This thread has always been popular on the forums in general which is not a surprise. |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Mar 6, 2020 12:29:15 GMT 5
theworldofanimals.proboards.com/thread/180/bengal-tiger-grizzly-bear?page=13We have another popular thread here. Regarding the account which says, a brown bear would prefer to face a tigress yet it becomes a prey item has its truth. The tiger is definitely more predatory but the male tiger also avoids a male Ussuri brown bear. In the wild, every animal prefers to prey on the weakest prey even though they can beat a stronger animal. No wild animal has the mentality of a gladiator dog.
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Post by brobear on Mar 6, 2020 14:03:26 GMT 5
When a grizzly ventures towards a tiger on his kill, the tiger simply leaves the carcass to the bear and disappears into the forest. There is no evidence left behind; no evidence of a struggle. There is no struggle. To the eyes of a hunter or a biologists, there is no evidence that the two animals even so much as see each other. Why do I firmly believe this? A leopard will not defend a carcass from a sloth bear. A cougar will not defend a carcass from a black bear. It is not in the nature of a cat to go head-to-head against a bear. We can see this clearly by observing a tiger against a sloth bear who stands his ground. If the tiger refuses to "go in for the kill" against a sloth bear half his size, why would anyone expect him to fight a mature boar grizzly face-to-face? I believe that the Russian grizzly routinely displaces the tiger just as a bear displaces wolves, cougars, and leopards. This is what a bear does. *Where is my evidence. The evidence is in the nature of the bear and in the nature of the cat.  ( Lion might be the exception to the rule ). Mountainlord says: So basically, no evidence as always. Got it. Just more made-up fables. *AS I stated; there is no physical evidence left behind because there is no physical contact between the tiger and the bear. But there is evidence. A tiger is unwilling even to go face-to-face with a sloth bear half his size. Stands to reason that he would refuse to fight a mature male grizzly. The nature of the cat IS the evidence. A cougar will sometimes attempt to bluff a black bear with hisses and snarls and swipe-and-dodge paw-swipes. But he will make no physical contact with the bear. A leopard has been observed doing the same with a sloth bear. But in the end, without a fight, the bear takes the carcass. For this reason - basic cat behavior - I don't believe that a mature male grizzly cares anything about the age, sex, or size of a tiger when he displaces the big cat from his kill. Consider too; the size ratio between a Montana black bear and a cougar / a sloth bear and an Indian leopard / and an Ussuri brown bear and an Amur tiger are all pretty-much the same. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 6, 2020 19:51:22 GMT 5
brobear, would you be able to post some accounts of that? I do not doubt that, but if you did post them the thread's too big
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Post by elosha11 on Mar 6, 2020 23:32:40 GMT 5
Actually, when it comes to actual evidence/accounts, Mountain Lord, although banned for his temper tantrums, posted significantly more support of his position on the actual fight than brobear has. brobear, post some actual accounts of male bears driving off male tigers, i.e., direct evidence of confrontations and/or predation. Note that you cannot provide any real evidence showing male bears killing male tigers, so your criticism of Mountain Lord rings quite hollow. Also, I'd have to go back and look at his myriads accounts, but I think he may have accounted some instances where researchers and/or inhabitants at least suspected that a male tiger had killed a male brown bear. In general, this thread and the related tiger/bear threads have way too much trolling and too much discarding of the actual evidence. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 7, 2020 1:55:56 GMT 5
^I agree, there's far too much arguing for looking on the thread for earlier accounts.
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 1:49:15 GMT 5
brobear , would you be able to post some accounts of that? I do not doubt that, but if you did post them the thread's too big Accounts of what? |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Mar 8, 2020 2:27:28 GMT 5
I don't know mate probably claims you've made over and over? Why is that a hard question?
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 3:27:47 GMT 5
I don't know mate probably claims you've made over and over? Why is that a hard question? There is more in what I was saying for such a simple question. In fact, there's really nothing much to look-up; all is thoroughly explained. But here again: A grizzly is an opportunist. If he smells a carcass ( a tiger's kill ) he will investigate. If any of you are ( like myself ) a country boy, then you know how powerful an odor comes from a warm body when you slice it open. You can smell it from a quarter mile away. A grizzly can smell it from 10 miles distance. The tiger sees the big grizzly boar walking towards him. The tiger is not stupid. He knows what the bear wants. He knows that he can not likely kill this bear should they fight. They have known each other for roughly one million years. The tiger simply leaves, but not very far. The grizzly has his fill of the carcass. But, as the tiger is well aware, the bear will eventually desire a drink of water. As soon as the bear leaves, the tiger feasts. This might go on for several feedings from each big predator. A biologist arrives after the feast is over. He studies the remains. He looks at footprints. No sign of a struggle. He see that a big bear and a big tiger had been "sharing" the tiger's kill; one-at-a-time. The footprints cannot tell the biologist that the tiger first walked away because he saw the bear walking towards him. Footprints are limited on what they can tell. The best alternative is to study the habits of both the grizzly and cats in general - cat behavior. We know that a Montana black bear will displace a cougar from his kill. Happens often. We know that a sloth bear will displace a leopard from his kill. I'm not sure how often; but when the sloth bear completely ignores the leopard when the cat attempts to bluff him, this gives me the impression that this is not this particular bears first time at usurping a kill from a leopard. The size ration between a cougar and a black bear / a leopard and a sloth bear / an Amur tiger and a Ussuri brown bear are all pretty-much the same. So, when going according to cat behavior and bear behavior; it stands to reason that a mature male Russian grizzly will displace a tiger at any given opportunity - regardless of the tiger's age, sex, or size. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Mar 8, 2020 3:32:14 GMT 5
Im not even surprised you didn't give a coherent answer. A hasty copy-paste is not sufficient evidence. No source given, no context for your copy paste paragraph, i am not even surprised there is so infrequently a winning side in these debates. Dear lord.
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