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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 12:46:41 GMT 5
ITEM # 1: IVAN SERYODKIN (THE SIBERIAN TIGER PROJECT LEADER)
russia.wcs.org/en-us/about-us/staff/projectid/407.aspx
"Despite the fact that his diet is dominated by food of plant origin, brown bear is the largest ground-based predator before the Far East. This beast is capable to obtain practically all forms of the mammals: from the mouse-like rodents to the tiger myshevidnyh.
In the far Of east are known the cases of the selection of victims by brown bear in Amur tiger and leopard. In of the Of sikhote-Alin preserve before 35% of cases of the victim of tiger they were obtained by the brown bear as a result of their selection from owners. In this case the tigers departed based on their victim entirely, or alternately divided them with the bear."
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 12:47:39 GMT 5
ITEM # 2: DALE MIQUELLE (THE SIBERIAN TIGER PROJECT DIRECTOR)
"It is clear that brown bears reap greater benefit from the presence of tigers because tigers killed animals - a source of protein food for bears. Therefore, not surprisingly, bears commonly use this source, even if it requires a direct clash with the Tigers., Tigers, it seems unable to prevent adult male brown bears away from their food."
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 12:49:03 GMT 5
ITEM # 3: BIG HIMALAYAN BLACK BEAR DISPLACED A BIG MALE TIGER FROM ITS KILL. WITNESSED BY THE FAMOUS HUNTER AND NATURALIST JIM CORBETT. *I feel certain that you have all seen this. If not, I can provide.  |
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 12:49:43 GMT 5
ITEM # 4: RESEARCHGATE: BROWN BEARS HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO EXACT FORAGING COSTS ON SOLITARY FELIDS, INCLUDING FORCING THE ABANDONMENT OF CARCASSES.  |
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 12:55:13 GMT 5
You guys are so amazingly dense. You ask for evidence after I explain that bear behavior and cat behavior IS the evidence. You look at how both black and brown bears displace the cougar routinely and how the sloth bear displaces the leopard. That represents both cat and bear behavior. In case you guys haven't figured it out... a tiger is a cat with the same basic cat behavior as the cougar and the leopard.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Mar 8, 2020 13:18:24 GMT 5
ITEM # 2: DALE MIQUELLE (THE SIBERIAN TIGER PROJECT DIRECTOR) "It is clear that brown bears reap greater benefit from the presence of tigers because tigers killed animals - a source of protein food for bears. Therefore, not surprisingly, bears commonly use this source, even if it requires a direct clash with the Tigers., Tigers, it seems unable to prevent adult male brown bears away from their food."  Here is more to the account. There are some tigers which have learn to hunt bears. These tigers are bear hunters like Dale and Misha. The Ussuri brown bears that do not win in clashes with tigers are once again: cubs, sub adults, and even adult females but not mature male Ussuri brown bears (especially in modern times where Siberian tigers hardly reach 500 pounds). |
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2020 13:34:05 GMT 5
Quote: These tigers are bear hunters like Dale and Misha.
*It was proven years ago in the old AVA blog site that Dale and Misha were one-and-the-same bear ( same tag number ).
Quote: The Ussuri brown bears that do not win in clashes with tigers are once again: cubs, sub adults, and even adult females but not mature male Ussuri brown bears (especially in modern times where Siberian tigers hardly reach 500 pounds).
*Absolutely true.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 8, 2020 18:13:48 GMT 5
Good accounts brobear!
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Mar 10, 2020 7:09:04 GMT 5
Im not even surprised you didn't give a coherent answer. A hasty copy-paste is not sufficient evidence. No source given, no context for your copy paste paragraph, i am not even surprised there is so infrequently a winning side in these debates. Dear lord. And I'm not surprised that you do not recognize coherency when you see it. Yikes, and still no supplemental information for the copy paste paragraph. Shocker of the millenia. oh wow, you finally posted something of relevance with a link to it. Color me surprised. That's a start. |
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Post by brobear on Mar 10, 2020 9:18:13 GMT 5
Yikes, and still no supplemental information for the copy paste paragraph. Shocker of the millenia. oh wow, you finally posted something of relevance with a link to it. Color me surprised. That's a start. *A lot of useless words saying nothing. Not even what it is you are disagreeing about. Like your avatar, a big mouth full of hor air. Further evidence of basic cat behavior. Perhaps some here would like to try this at home. I have had the habit for decades now; of keeping a big dog dish on a deck ( usually an open porch ) in which I put any and all food leftovers. Before long, here comes stray and feral cats, raccoons, and 'possums. From the beginning, and without change, the raccoons and 'possums dominate the food supply. A cat will neither challenge nor accept a challenge from these similar-sized omnivores. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Mar 10, 2020 9:27:19 GMT 5
Oh, back to throwaway lines. I'm rather glad you lot got delegated to a corner. Yikes.
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Post by brobear on Mar 10, 2020 10:21:18 GMT 5
Oh, back to throwaway lines. I'm rather glad you lot got delegated to a corner. Yikes. ...and still you say nothing about what it is you disagree with. Just teenage juvenile spouting. Man-up. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Mar 10, 2020 18:48:42 GMT 5
What i took issue with was already said on the last page so i am rather confused why you would say that. Another throw away line though-- you've rather proven that why these debates between tiger and bear fanatics go nowhere though. i commend you for that.
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Post by brobear on Mar 10, 2020 21:25:57 GMT 5
Never in all these decades have there been one single confirmed account of an Amur tiger ever killing a mature male Russian grizzly, and you tiger fan-boys are still living in your sugar-coated fantasy realms. There are, however, a good number of big cat enthusiasts with the proper education, common sense, and ( most important of all ) maturity and integrity to be honest. You, Ceratodromeus, are not a tiger enthusiast; you are a juvenile fan-boy.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 10, 2020 22:15:14 GMT 5
brobear, ML has posted a few accounts of tigers killing bears. Quite a few. There are whole threads about it!
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