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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 10, 2020 22:59:47 GMT 5
For you to call the people who have been calling you out these last three pages within this month "tiger fanboys", you must not really know them too well.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Mar 11, 2020 8:49:29 GMT 5
This is a perfect demonstration of the throw-away lines i was talking about -- without assuming a position on whether or not one animal would win or not in this thread in this exchange, you've laughably -- and fallaciously -- called me a "juvenile fanboy". Which, though it did make me laugh, was so argumentatively bad it borders on the worst rhetoric of MountainLord. My problem here, is your argument structure. We will call it a lack thereof in cases such as this. It is almost more sad than it is funny to see you say this though. What am i fanboy of, good argument structure? Lol
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 11, 2020 17:12:39 GMT 5
brobear, there is no need to just go around throwing insults. If you feel someone is being a tiger fanboy, just refute what they have to say with accounts that say otherwise.
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Mar 12, 2020 1:05:20 GMT 5
I mean he pretty perfectly just got rid of any shred of credibility he might have had. I rest my case.
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Post by Life on Mar 13, 2020 22:10:26 GMT 5
ADVICE TO ALL MEMBERS: Please do not unnecessarily drag this thread with insulting overtones. Keep it civil and post something meaningful (if you will). brobearYour contributions are welcome but you need to do a better job with your "argument-making." More importantly, it is much better to STOP an argument if you are unable to expand on it to the satisfaction of other members, or the exchange is becoming pointless. If you really feel inclined to respond to any post, make it count (i.e. meaningful) with documented information.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2020 16:12:39 GMT 5
No arguing. There remains not one single confirmed report of a tiger ever killing a mature grizzly boar in the wild. There have been some ( not many ) confirmed reports of tigers ambushing and killing mature grizzly sows. There is no case of a tiger ever killing a grizzly sow in a face-to-face fight in the wild. In a face-off, I would wager on the Ussuri brown bear sow over a mature male Amur tiger.  I will also state; the fact that in any given opportunity a mature grizzly boar can and will displace a tiger of any age, sex, or size from his kill is not without evidence. The evidence, as I have shown, is in basic cat behavior which is more reliable than some biologist trying to play Hiawatha and reading footprints in the dirt. Mar 7, 2020 at 3:27pm post. |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Mar 21, 2020 16:49:07 GMT 5
www.brothersofthebow.com/html/solospirits.htmlSome older tigers would also stalk and kill brown bears, which were easier to catch than elk. Following tigers with radio locators, Bart could read these stories in the snow. The tigers usually just walked the bears down from behind. The big cats had killer instincts and usually about a hundred pound weight advantage on the bears. They would go straight for the neck and sever the spine at the base of the skull. Every once in a while the trampled snow would tell of a furious fight, which always ended with a dead bear. During the study, the team determined that vehicle injuries and poachers caused most tiger mortality. Bart said that if the tigers were going to survive, humans were going to have to want them to and find ways to share the same ecosystems. I could tell that Bart was proud of the team’s work as they made progress in habitat planning, forest usage, establishing travel corridors, and public relations. Insurance policies were provided to farmers who suffered livestock losses. He said, “The science is great, but ultimately we need the support of the people who live and work along side these great cats if we are going to succeed.” Credited to Brobear. While Siberian tigers are capable of killing female brown bears their own weight, they (these that have learned to hunt bears) usually kill bears lighter than themselves.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Mar 21, 2020 16:59:40 GMT 5
Environmentalists are searching for a female tiger called Troya, which was released from a wildlife rehabilitation centre. The tiger disappeared without trace in the Far Eastern taiga. Three months ago, Russian and American experts launched a unique experiment in Russia's Far East. Two young female tigers, Troya and Pakhomovna, were released from the Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre Utes, at the foothills of the Sikhote-Alin Range in the Khabarovsk Region, following a lengthy treatment. Special radio-collars, which transfer information via a satellite to a radio centre, were attached to the two animals. However, soon the radio centre stopped receiving signals from Troya's collar. The ecologists organised helicopter rides over the taiga and hunting experts and rangers combed the area, from where the last signals were received, but no trace of the tiger has been found. Board Chairman of the Regional Wildlife Foundation and Doctor of Biology Alexander Kulikov told RIA Novosti that "most probably, Troya has become yet another victim of poachers." " Even if the tiger died in a fight with another stronger animal, e.g. a female brown bear, the collar would have shown where she died," Mr. Kulikov said. He stressed, "poachers possess technical means that might be superior to those of ecologists and hunting experts; they can intercept radio signals, calculate where an animal is going, and set up an ambush." The value of the fur, bones, and internal organs of a tiger is extortionately high on the black market. It is extremely hard to find the poachers. However, even when they are caught, they only end up paying fines and receiving a suspended sentence," Mr. Kulikov said. Chinese law provides strict penalties - up to death -- for the intentional killing of a tiger. "We do not even talk about such penalties here," the scientist stressed, "but we should, as it would than prevent people from killing and selling an animal who is listed in the World Endangered Species List." Mr. Kulikov also mentioned that five years ago 65 to 70 Amur tigers inhabited the forests of the Khabarovsk Region. Today there are less than 60. - See more at: www.pravdareport.com/news/society/09-11-2001/28806-0/#sthash.IbnVNr95.dpufFrom Domain of the Bears. Now tigers at four to five years old are young but fully grown. Now no trace of they tigress had been found, however, the female brown bear is still stronger than the tigress.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Mar 21, 2020 17:07:35 GMT 5
 Credited to Domain of the Bears Three bears of two species a year is hardly regular predation. |
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Post by TigreFeroce9 on Mar 21, 2020 17:12:43 GMT 5
Two tigers killed by bear
Two Amur tigers died in Primorye in a battle with a bear
A likely encounter with a brown bear led to the death of two Amur tiger females this winter in the Sikhote-Alin State Natural Biosphere Reserve in the Primorsky Territory.
According to the official website of Rosprirodnadzor, in the upper reaches of the Khanov cluster (the Kunaleika river basin) on January 21, 2010, the remains of the radio-labeled tigress Vera and her radio collar were discovered. According to experts, a possible cause of what happened could be an attack on a brown bear tigress.
For the first time, the tigress Vera was captured and tagged with a radio collar in 2002. After the collar ended in 2007, the tigress was caught a second time and equipped with a new collar. At the time of her death, the tigress was eight years old. Presumably, she had two tiger cubs aged 17-18 months.
On February 17, 2010, the remains of the radio-labeled tigress Ani and her radio collar were found in the upper reaches of the Right Midday Cluster (Columbe Basin). Traces from the teeth of a large predator were clearly visible on the collar. Experts of the department also consider a collision with a brown bear a likely cause of the death of the tigress.
The tigress Anya was caught for radio-tagging at the mouth of the Solontsovy cluster (Zabolochennaya river basin) in November 2009 at the age of 1.8 years. At the time of capture, she went with her brother and mother. Perhaps the young tigress found herself in the area of the Columbus river basin in search of her own territory. Judging by the data taken from the GPS-collar, the death of a predator occurred on December 10-11, 2009.
The Sikhote-Alin State Biosphere Nature Reserve was established on February 10, 1935 and is a unique natural treasury of Russia. The original purpose of its creation is the preservation and restoration of sable almost exterminated at that time. Currently, the reserve is the most convenient place for observing the Amur tiger. The Sikhote-Alin Nature Reserve was also the first natural park in the Far East to be included by UNESCO in the global system of biosphere reserves.
primamedia.ru/news/118750/
Note- The article is in Russian. I wrote the english version using Google translate
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 21, 2020 19:17:57 GMT 5
^Good account! brobear. do you have any accounts like that to post? |
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2020 22:15:22 GMT 5
brobear , ML has posted a few accounts of tigers killing bears. Quite a few. There are whole threads about it! There are plenty of reports of tigers killing black bears, sloth bears, and a few sun bears. There are plenty of reports of tigers killing juvenile brown bears and even a few adult grizzly sows. But there is no recorded case of a tiger ever killing a mature male brown bear confirmed. There have been a few maybes where a tiger is found feeding on a carcass, but this proves nothing. Every bear a tiger kills is an ambush killing. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 21, 2020 22:16:10 GMT 5
^Would you be able to post some of those, then?
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2020 22:18:37 GMT 5
^Would you be able to post some of those, then? First, I should read through this topic; they are probably there already. |
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2020 22:23:52 GMT 5
I can't believe Vodmeister said this ( quote ): The chest girth and biceps of a feline are equally robust to a bear. Measure a grizzly and a tiger at equal head-and-body-length and then check-out the girth difference.  According to the study.... a comparison of the average mature male Amur tiger and mature male black grizzly: Tiger: head and body length - 195 cm ( 6 feet 5 inches ) - Grizzly: head and body length 196 cm ( 6 feet 5 inches ). Tiger: shoulder height - 93 cm ( 3 feet ) - Grizzly: shoulder height - 115 cm ( 3 feet 9 inches ). Tiger: chest girth - 119 cm ( 3 feet 11 inches ) - Grizzly: 137 cm ( 4 feet 6 inches ). Tiger: weight - 189 kg ( 417 pounds ) - Grizzly: 264 kg ( 582 pounds ). |
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