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Post by TigreFeroce9 on Mar 21, 2020 22:32:51 GMT 5
Three tigers killed by bears It is commonly believed that those animals who come into settlements and attack domestic animals are usually young dispersing animals aged 2-3 years, or old or physically disabled. In our study we did not find such a correlation: young tigers (2-4 years old) attacked domestic animals almost as often as adults (5 years and more). In general, of the tigers attacking domestic animals, females were on average older. There is also no difference in number of visits to settlements and attacks on domestic animals between visually healthy tigers and those starving or somehow injured. Only in winters of especially unfavorable conditions, such as lack of food and deep snow (for example 1984-85 and 1985-86), mostly disabled tigers come to settlements and are killed. Among tigers killed by poachers there are two times as many males as females and almost no injured or weak animals. Additionally, their average age was almost two years more than that of tigers killed in conflicts. Of the 21 tigers that died from non human causes, we were able to investigate 8 (5 males and 3 females) in greater detail. The circumstances of their deaths varied: 3 tigers died from wounds received in fights, one each with a bear, another tiger and a wild boar. Two died of diseases and one each died from poisoning and starvation. Cause of death for one animal was unknown. Most cubs (63%) died of starvation after losing their mother, or were killed by adult males (Table 3). sixote-alin.ru/articles/nickl_e.html
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Post by brobear on Mar 22, 2020 16:36:57 GMT 5
Interesting conversation here: www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalsversesanimals/siberian-tiger-misha-the-adult-brown-bear-killer-t1707.html *We all know that Amur tigers hunt and kill juvenile brown bears and much more uncommonly the occasional mature grizzly she-bear. We all know that tigers are ambush predators and that these bears are taken by ambush. In my opinion, I whole-heartedly believe that in a face-to-face encounter, a grizzly sow would stand no less than a 50-50 chance in a face-off fight with a mature male tiger.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 22, 2020 18:04:17 GMT 5
brobear, the size difference is a bit too much, no? A male tiger has around 40% size advantage over a sow
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Post by TigreFeroce9 on Mar 22, 2020 18:12:26 GMT 5
Tigresses can kill brown bear sows. Forget male tigers
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 22, 2020 19:00:25 GMT 5
Yes, that would be closer indeed.
I may make that match soon.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Mar 23, 2020 3:03:40 GMT 5
brobear , the size difference is a bit too much, no? A male tiger has around 40% size advantage over a sow Dale, the tiger at 445 pounds that has learned to hunt bears took 20 minutes to kill a 440 pound female Ussuri brown bear through failed ambush.
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Post by brobear on Mar 23, 2020 15:02:06 GMT 5
Tigresses can kill brown bear sows. Forget male tigers It has happened; very rare occurrence. And of course, only by ambush. In a face-off I would wager on a Russian grizzly she-bear against a prime male tiger. Quote: Dale, the tiger at 445 pounds that has learned to hunt bears took 20 minutes to kill a 440 pound female Ussuri brown bear through failed ambush. *The bear actually died from wounds from the initial ambush attack, but went down fighting.
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Post by brobear on Mar 23, 2020 15:07:06 GMT 5
According to above chart... ( Russian black grizzly ).
Males: head and body length from 164 cm to 252 cm ( 5 feet 5 inches to 8 feet 3 inches ) - average 196 cm ( 6 feet 5 inches ). shoulder height from 100 cm to 128 cm ( 3 feet 3 inches to 4 feet 2 inches ) - average 115 cm ( 3 feet 9 inches ). chest circumference from 121 cm to 154 cm ( 3 feet 11 inches to 5 feet 7 inches ) - average 137 cm ( 4 feet 6 inches ). weight from 260 kg to 321 kg ( 573 pounds to 708 pounds ) - average 264 kg ( 582 pounds ).
Females: head and body length from 137 cm to 230 cm ( 4 feet 6 inches to 7 feet 7 inches ) - average 160 cm ( 5 feet 3 inches ). shoulder height from 82 cm to 126 cm ( 2 feet 8 inches to 4 feet 2 inches ) - average 96 cm ( 3 feet 2 inches ). chest circumference from 120 cm to 149 cm ( 3 feet 11 inches to 4 feet 11 inches ) - average 132 cm ( 4 feet 4 inches ). weight from 120 kg to 280 kg ( 265 pounds to 617 pounds ) - average 189 kg ( 417 pounds ). A male Amur tiger would have a big advantage in bipedal height and in head-and-body length, but weight right about at parity with a she-bear.
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Post by TigreFeroce9 on Mar 23, 2020 15:08:03 GMT 5
Tigresses can kill brown bear sows. Forget male tigers It has happened; very rare occurrence. And of course, only by ambush. In a face-off I would wager on a Russian grizzly she-bear against a prime male tiger. Here a tigress killed a bear family without ambush archive.org/stream/mammalsofsov221992gept#page/174/mode/2up
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Post by brobear on Mar 23, 2020 15:15:57 GMT 5
Quote: seized the bear from the rear - AMBUSH. Probably a female black bear.
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Post by TigreFeroce9 on Mar 23, 2020 15:18:30 GMT 5
Nope wrong The tigress EVENTUALLY SEIZED from the rear Not that she attack from the rear The tigress was fighting the sow then eventually seized from the rear then killed her.
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Post by brobear on Mar 23, 2020 16:19:16 GMT 5
Quote..."she proceeded to harass from both sides alternately. ( not face-to-face ). Eventually, the tigress seized the bear from the rear..." Not a face-off confrontation. Not a fight. Simply an ambush attack.
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Post by TigreFeroce9 on Mar 23, 2020 16:35:42 GMT 5
Ok I admit anyway tigers can also kill male brown bears
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Post by brobear on Mar 23, 2020 17:25:06 GMT 5
Ok I admit anyway tigers can also kill male brown bears This is absolutely true; a tiger can ambush and kill a juvenile male brown bear.
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Post by TigreFeroce9 on Mar 23, 2020 17:42:03 GMT 5
no wrong i meant adults
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