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Post by creature386 on May 4, 2020 19:04:24 GMT 5
Sources are usually a good idea when answering questions like this, just a general note.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 4, 2020 21:12:18 GMT 5
I will try to get some sources from the domain of the bears tomorrow.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 5, 2020 9:42:42 GMT 5
Brown bear sexual maturity: Females mature sexually between the age of four and eight years of age, with an average age at sexual maturity of 5.2–5.5 years old, while males first mate about a year later on average, when they are large and strong enough to successfully compete with other males for mating rights. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_bearMales may become sexually mature at a similar age but are probably not large enough to be able to enter the breeding population until they a re eight to ten years old. Mating takes place from early May to the middle of July but implantation does not occur until about October or November. www.bearbiology.org/bear-species/brown-bear/Polar bear sexual maturity: Female polar bears reach sexual maturity at about four to five years. Male polar bears reach sexual maturity at about six years. Most male polar bears don't successfully mate until 8 to 10 years and older. seaworld.org/animals/all-about/polar-bear/reproduction/ |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 5, 2020 9:51:37 GMT 5
Tiger sexual maturity: Although tigers can mate throughout the year, copulation usually happens between November and April, which are the cool months in their various habitats. Females reach sexual maturity at around three of four years of age, while males are a little older, at an average of four or five years old www.tigers.org.za/tiger-reproduction.htmlI made a mistake on my earlier post. Tiger's don't reach sexual maturity at 2 years old but they still become fully grown earlier than bears. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on May 5, 2020 21:59:30 GMT 5
Tigers reach adulthood (4 to 6 years old) faster than brown bears (9 to 10 years old) by the way. This kind of statement is inherently misleading, while some bears mature later than others in different areas, 9-10 years is not the age all brown bears reach sexual maturity. This is seen in particular is not the case in European brown bears, if this is anything to go by. Also, being able to mate and compete with other males and being sexually mature are not mutually exclusive.  citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.539.5436&rep=rep1&type=pdfHere is more info on brown bear sexual maturity   I went through and highlighted most of the populations for female brown bears with a mean age of 8-9 years to place an emphasis on the fact that these are outliers in the sample included in the linked research ( Click me), either way, i think this shows the point of brown bears not taking a decade to reach adulthood pretty well. Not only is this not about polar bears, so i have no idea why you posted that, but "seaworld.org" is not a reputable scientific reference. |
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Post by brobear on Jun 26, 2020 20:06:09 GMT 5
You know, when it comes right down to it, there is just one single contest which proves just who really is "Boss of the Woods" so to speak. The dominant flesh consuming animal of any given location. Where there is a large carcass, there you might witness such a contest. The crown does not go to the beast who can master the hunt and kill the largest herbivore. That trophy might read "Top Predator" but then along comes the "Boss of the Woods" who takes the rewards of the hunt from "Top Predator". In the Russian taiga, the tiger is Top Predator. The full-grown brown bear is Boss of the Woods.  |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Sept 10, 2020 20:09:54 GMT 5
 Stephcurry posted this on Carnivora. |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Sept 21, 2020 9:03:17 GMT 5
Sources are usually a good idea when answering questions like this, just a general note. According to the book ‘Grizzly Years’, the author named Doug Peacock does not consider a bear full grown until they reach ten years old. Brobear owns that book and I will post it here once he posts that page. I believe boys become men at 18 but they are not fully grown till 21 years of age physically. |
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Post by brobear on Oct 3, 2020 22:02:21 GMT 5
Full grown male Amur tiger vs full grown male Ussuri brown bear is a total mismatch. The bear would win this fight ( IMO ) roughly 19 out of every 20 fights. The bear is simply too big and too strong for the tiger.
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Post by reeper on Oct 4, 2020 16:44:46 GMT 5
Stephcurry posted this on Carnivora.
There's only been two old historical cases of male tigers being killed by large male brown bears, and both tigers were young animals, not adult.
And those 12 tigers killed by brown bears were most likely injured, old and weakened animals, not healthy tigers. The original source confirms this:
"Tiger, as an object of feeding bears. 12 known cases of brown bears kill tigers (Sysoev, 1950; Sysoev, 1960; Abramov, 1962; Rakov, 1970; Gorokhov, 1973; Kostoglod, 1981). All the tigers were eaten by bears. In such battles more likely weakened by the loss, including injured and old animals."
And male tigers do stand their ground and fight against any large male brown bear, no matter what size, and thats why large male brown bears strictly avoid contesting a male tigers kill. Its too dangerous for the bear. In most cases, the large male bear doesn't even contest a female tigers kill, he mostly waits for her to finish eating and leave and then just picks up the left-overs. Scavenging.
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Post by reeper on Oct 4, 2020 16:54:47 GMT 5
You know, when it comes right down to it, there is just one single contest which proves just who really is "Boss of the Woods" so to speak. The dominant flesh consuming animal of any given location. Where there is a large carcass, there you might witness such a contest. The crown does not go to the beast who can master the hunt and kill the largest herbivore. That trophy might read "Top Predator" but then along comes the "Boss of the Woods" who takes the rewards of the hunt from "Top Predator". In the Russian taiga, the tiger is Top Predator. The full-grown brown bear is Boss of the Woods.
The Siberian tiger has been given several titles by the Russians and Manchurian people like 'Master of the taiga', 'Lord of the taiga', 'King of the taiga' and 'Owner of the taiga'.
So how comes both the Russians and Manchurians all regard the tiger to be the 'Boss of the woods', and have not given these titles to the brown bear?
EDIT by creature, reeper has been permabanned. A lot indicates that he's mountainlord's alt-account. Even if he isn't, we already had enough drama with people who call their favorite animals "Master" or "Lord". Maybe if I had more time for this, I would have allowed him to stay a bit longer, but alas. |
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Post by reeper on Oct 4, 2020 17:01:14 GMT 5
Full grown male Amur tiger vs full grown male Ussuri brown bear is a total mismatch. The bear would win this fight ( IMO ) roughly 19 out of every 20 fights. The bear is simply too big and too strong for the tiger.
This match-up is basically the ultimate killer vs the ultimate scavenger. I would favour the ultimate killer anytime and any day over the plant eating omnivore/scavenger. |
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Post by brobear on Oct 4, 2020 19:47:25 GMT 5
Even though the tiger and the brown bear have been living within the same environment for roughly one million years, there is not one single confirmed case of a tiger ever killing a full-grown male brown bear. The tiger strictly avoids them. No old elderly bears, no sickly bears, no bears sleeping in their Winter dens, no shatun bears - absolutely no adult male bear killed by a tiger confirmed. Even the biggest male tiger will not ambush a full-grown male Ussuri brown bear. As for a face-off topic; this subject is a complete mismatch. ( IMO ) the bear would kill the tiger roughly 19 out of every 20 fights.  |
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 14:35:10 GMT 5
Dale hunting female brown bears almost his own weight is impressive regardless. This is true. However, among several estimates ( according to Warsaw ) 440 pounds was the highest. There were also estimates of her weight ranging below 400 pounds. In truth, she was considered a large sow Ussuri brown bear, but not freakish. I find it impressive that a tiger will ambush an adult female brown bear. A tiger always kills a bear with a bite to the base of the neck where the spine can be broken. The tiger ( or tigress ) depends on making a quick kill. But, a large she-bear can have a very thick neck, thus the ambush becomes a fight. But still these two adult she-bears killed by Dale were killed from ambush. The bear would be wounded in the initial attack. In a face-off between an adult Ussuri sow and a prime male Amur tiger ( IMO ) the tiger would defeat the she-bear in perhaps 5 or 6 out of 10 ( depending on size ). At weight-parity - ( IMO ) its a 50-50. I find this face-off as being rationally debatable. Siberian Tiger vs Ussuri Brown Bear (Sow):  |
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 17:08:31 GMT 5
Full grown male Amur tiger vs full grown male Ussuri brown bear is a total mismatch. The bear would win this fight ( IMO ) roughly 19 out of every 20 fights. The bear is simply too big and too strong for the tiger.
This match-up is basically the ultimate killer vs the ultimate scavenger. I would favour the ultimate killer anytime and any day over the plant eating omnivore/scavenger.When a brown bear feels threatened, or for any other reason fights, he has absolutely no concern as the whether or not his opponent is left dead or alive. Brown bears have often been observed eating their prey alive. Many men have survived vicious bear attacks. When a tiger fights a full-grown Ussuri brown bear, the tiger will be left bleeding and with multiple broken bones. After the mauling, if the tiger is still alive, then he will have either the misfortune of starvation or of being eaten alive by the bear. The "professional killer" theory does not help the tiger. |
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