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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 21, 2014 23:23:16 GMT 5
The point flew over your head again. Cuts do not hurt for long. They go numb after a bit. 1. It takes a good cut at least a few minutes before going numb. You won't have that time when in a fight against the CL. Repeated cuts in the same region is often traumatizing. 2. The fact that cuts aren't deep enough for flesh death is actually an advantage for the CL. The burning of the skin will be sharper when cut.
Slicing can actually cause more pain than stabbing, but it is less effective for a quick death.
"Nowhere near" is an over exaggeration, the size difference between the two isn't massive.
For humans and other large primates that are prone to skin burning in cuts, not necessarily.
Have you ever had two 5 cm long, 1.5 cm think cut anywhere in your body? Because that is the size of the CL's canines. You don't have an idea of how much pain that would cause. Dogs have small canines compared to cats, and they rely on crushing rather than slicing. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 21, 2014 23:28:57 GMT 5
1. You're telling me something I already know. What they don't tell you is that a cut is one of the least painful things you can get. It goes like thin in terms of pain. Crushing > Blunt trauma > Stabbing > Cutting Blunt trauma > stabbing and cutting, really?  Also, stabbing is superior in killing to crushing. Your list is horrible. Overall; Stabbing > Crushing = Slicing >>> Blunt trauma Runic, blunt trauma is going to be really ineffective against an animal as durable as a 60 pound feline. You are not strong enough to kill it on raw strength alone. If you tried to choke it out, you wouldn't have any skin left on your arms. |
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Post by Runic on Mar 21, 2014 23:32:50 GMT 5
Ok,
First of all you obviously have never been stabbed. Otherwise you wouldn't say a cut hurts more. Getting an organ punctured alongwith the area aaround it hurts far worse than a superficial skin cut.
Secondly, for a cut to go numb actually ranges for about a few seconds to a minute. Why do you think people still fight after getting cut several tines? Normally if I stab you just once however your done.
Thirdly, if your weight is under 100lbs a 20lb weight advantage is massive. A GSD would overpower and wreck a 20lbs smaller Clouded Leopard. Well maybe not wreck but it'd still win. You'd agree right?
And lastly, you forget humans are bipedal. Therefore in order to get us to wrestle with a small 50lb cat wed either
A - Be brought to the ground by the cat which only an idiot would allow.
B - We deliberately decide to lie on the ground and hug the cat.
C - We forget we have long legs to kick and all that.
But anyways before the imminent leopard kill gorilla analogy comes up. Let it be known that humans have a more combat friendly body type thana gorilla. We are more flexible, can actually punch, are smarter and we can apply our strength far bettet and develop tactics.
In short, I fought a GSD to a stalemate. I'd be damned if I let a 50lb cat intimidate or kill me.
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Post by Runic on Mar 21, 2014 23:34:42 GMT 5
1. You're telling me something I already know. What they don't tell you is that a cut is one of the least painful things you can get. It goes like thin in terms of pain. Crushing > Blunt trauma > Stabbing > Cutting Blunt trauma > stabbing and cutting, really? Also, stabbing is superior in killing to crushing. Your list is horrible. Overall; Stabbing > Crushing = Slicing >>> Blunt trauma Runic, blunt trauma is going to be really ineffective against an animal as durable as a 60 pound feline. You are not strong enough to kill it on raw strength alone. If you tried to choke it out, you wouldn't have any skin left on your arms. Read the first line and facepalmed. Vodmeister would you rather get smacked by a gorilla or cut by a leopard? Which would you think HURTS more. Honestly before you try to be a smartass I suggest you learn to differentiate pain from actual damage. Oh and btw by your logic of humans being unable to kill animals with blunt trauma the explain how gorilla kill leopards and people have killed wolves and yes even leopard on occasion unarmed? Exactly you can't find a reason. You could break the neck of a 50lb cat by just bloody stomping on top of it. You think a 50lb cat can take more damage than a160 man!? Please for every mortal iinjury you can show a cat with I can show a human surviving far worse for hours on end before recieving medical attention |
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 21, 2014 23:38:37 GMT 5
Blunt trauma > stabbing and cutting, really? Also, stabbing is superior in killing to crushing. Your list is horrible. Overall; Stabbing > Crushing = Slicing >>> Blunt trauma Runic, blunt trauma is going to be really ineffective against an animal as durable as a 60 pound feline. You are not strong enough to kill it on raw strength alone. If you tried to choke it out, you wouldn't have any skin left on your arms. Read the first line and facepalmed. Vodmeister would you rather get smacked by a gorilla or cut by a leopard? Which would you think HURTS more. Honestly before you try to be a smartass I suggest you learn to differentiate pain from actual damage. A Gorilla is much larger than a Leopard, there is no comparison. How about this; would you rather have the skin on your arms peeled off while you are conscious of it, or be punched in the arm by another person. Which would hurt more? See Runic? I can make strawmans too. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 21, 2014 23:39:41 GMT 5
Ok, First of all you obviously have never been stabbed. Otherwise you wouldn't say a cut hurts more. Getting an organ punctured alongwith the area aaround it hurts far worse than a superficial skin cut. Secondly, for a cut to go numb actually ranges for about a few seconds to a minute. Why do you think people still fight after getting cut several tines? Normally if I stab you just once however your done. Thirdly, if your weight is under 100lbs a 20lb weight advantage is massive. A GSD would overpower and wreck a 20lbs smaller Clouded Leopard. Well maybe not wreck but it'd still win. You'd agree right? And lastly, you forget humans are bipedal. Therefore in order to get us to wrestle with a small 50lb cat wed either A - Be brought to the ground by the cat which only an idiot would allow. B - We deliberately decide to lie on the ground and hug the cat. C - We forget we have long legs to kick and all that. But anyways before the imminent leopard kill gorilla analogy comes up. Let it be known that humans have a more combat friendly body type thana gorilla. We are more flexible, can actually punch, are smarter and we can apply our strength far bettet and develop tactics. In short, I fought a GSD to a stalemate. I'd be damned if I let a 50lb cat intimidate or kill me. I have Bio class in a few minutes, I'll respond to this later today. |
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Post by Runic on Mar 21, 2014 23:41:34 GMT 5
Read the first line and facepalmed. Vodmeister would you rather get smacked by a gorilla or cut by a leopard? Which would you think HURTS more. Honestly before you try to be a smartass I suggest you learn to differentiate pain from actual damage. A Gorilla is much larger than a Leopard, there is no comparison. How about this; would you rather have the skin on your arms peeled off while you are conscious of it, or be punched in the arm by another person. Which would hurt more? See Runic? I can make strawmans too. I can break your jaw through blunt trauma. Would you rather that happen or a clouded leopard cut you with its claws. Which do you think will hurt more? Regardless I'm pretty sure anyone here with sense would take getting cut by a cat over getting a jaw broken from a punch. |
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Post by Runic on Mar 21, 2014 23:44:02 GMT 5
Oh and btw by your logic of humans being unable to kill animals with blunt trauma the explain how gorilla kill leopards and people have killed wolves and yes even leopard on occasion unarmed? Exactly you can't find a reason. You could break the neck of a 50lb cat by just bloody stomping on top of it. You think a 50lb cat can take more damage than a160 man!? Please for every mortal iinjury you can show a cat with I can show a human surviving far worse for hours on end before recieving medical attention
^ Don't forget Vodmeister!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 23:59:15 GMT 5
Human wins this rather easily
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 22, 2014 9:11:43 GMT 5
A Gorilla is much larger than a Leopard, there is no comparison. How about this; would you rather have the skin on your arms peeled off while you are conscious of it, or be punched in the arm by another person. Which would hurt more? See Runic? I can make strawmans too. I can break your jaw through blunt trauma. Would you rather that happen or a clouded leopard cut you with its claws. Which do you think will hurt more? Regardless I'm pretty sure anyone here with sense would take getting cut by a cat over getting a jaw broken from a punch. Another strawman comparison. Let's make this analogy as rational and unbiased as possible. 1. You have an 80 kg chimpanzee and an 80 kg cougar, both roughly equal in strength. 2. The chimpanzee punches you in the face at full force. 3. The cougar delivers a pawswipe in the face at full force, but only its claws connect. Which one would you rather receive? It is a subjective question, but I'd rather be punched by a chimp than swatter by a cougar. The chimp's punch would knock you out without long-term effects, the cougars swipe would tear the skin right off your face. One more thing, here is a video of a 50-60 pound police dog knocking down a good-sized armed man (criminal); www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcdYzCsKVn8Now also take into consideration that clouded leopards are easily as strong physically, if not stronger than police dogs. |
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Post by Runic on Mar 22, 2014 9:22:58 GMT 5
I can break your jaw through blunt trauma. Would you rather that happen or a clouded leopard cut you with its claws. Which do you think will hurt more? Regardless I'm pretty sure anyone here with sense would take getting cut by a cat over getting a jaw broken from a punch. Another strawman comparison. Let's make this analogy as rational and unbiased as possible. 1. You have an 80 kg chimpanzee and an 80 kg cougar, both roughly equal in strength. 2. The chimpanzee punches you in the face at full force. 3. The cougar delivers a pawswipe in the face at full force, but only its claws connect. Which one would you rather receive? It is a subjective question, but I'd rather be punched by a chimp than swatter by a cougar. The chimp's punch would knock you out without long-term effects, the cougars swipe would tear the skin right off your face. One more thing, here is a video of a 50-60 pound police dog knocking down a good-sized armed man (criminal); www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcdYzCsKVn8Now also take into consideration that clouded leopards are easily as strong physically, if not stronger than police dogs. FAIL! Chimp can't punch! But even if they could that woukd break your jaw while the cats swipe wouldnt. One is trauna the other is superficial. And unlike a clouded leopard that dog is actually trained to take down bipedal humans. A cat isn't. Also note GSD don't weigh 50lbs less it's a female, that GSD had a radical running start and the man was unprepared. Poor excuse for an argument. |
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Post by malikc6 on Jul 17, 2014 12:33:25 GMT 5
I wanna say mismatch, but people do tend to panic. I think the person wins 9/10, but he or she would be cut up. If I got in a fight with one, I would either break its neck, punch and kick it until it's bones are broken, or slam it so hard onto the ground that its back breaks.
Blunt force trauma and crushing would prevail over claws and teeth. The cat is simply too small and weak.
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Post by creature386 on Jul 17, 2014 13:30:30 GMT 5
I agree. Even though I believe claws are better than blunt trauma when both fighters weigh the same, with a huge size and strength advantage, it gets simply a lot easier to effectively use blunt trauma.
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Post by malikc6 on Jul 17, 2014 13:52:10 GMT 5
I want to comment on the video Vodmesiter posted. Yes dogs weighing no less than 50 pounds can take down a man, but generally those dogs are trained. Even still, a trained dog weighing only 50 pounds would have a hard time trying to take down a man that is ready for it. The man in the video was off guard. A feral cat could knock an unexpected man down to the ground by jumping on his head and give him nasty cuts as well.
Anyways, the human would win, but he isn't going to come out unharmed. I keep picturing this fight where the clouded leopard is rabid for some reason.
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Post by theropod on Jul 17, 2014 15:09:38 GMT 5
I agree. Even though I believe claws are better than blunt trauma when both fighters weigh the same, with a huge size and strength advantage, it gets simply a lot easier to effectively use blunt trauma. In terms of dealing damage, I’d say that should be obvious to anyone. If both have the same strenght, it’s obviously the sharp claws that will do more damage than the blunt punch or slap. They were talking about the pain this causes. And actually, pain has to do with damage, that’s the very point there is to even feeling it, even though that doesn’t always work out perfectly. As regards whether I’d rather be hit by a club, or by the same club with the same force but with a sharp blade attached, I’d chose the first, because the latter will be way more dangerous. As regards which one would be more painful, I have no idea and I don’t intend to try (and I don’t think anyone else here has the basis to make the comparison either). However this comparison (and the chimp-vs-cougar example) doesn’t work, because in reality there is typically much more force behind blunt trauma or crushing than there is behind equivalent slicing or stabbing injuries, which will likely make the former more painful because they affect a larger area. Btw if an 80kg chimp can break your jaw, so can an 80kg cougar, although I doubt either could by means of a swipe, as the cougar will "merely" tear the face off with its claws, and the chimp cannot really punch and likely won’t be able to focus the force in its blow sufficiently (not intending to say there aren’t many terrible things a chimp could do to your face and jaw by other means…). Both would definitely give you a concussion. |
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