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Post by creature386 on Dec 6, 2014 21:18:32 GMT 5
Weaponry is not all that matter, strength also matters. Of course it strongly depends on the human individual you use, but Vodmeister mentioned we should use a strong and healthy specimen for both. If the human can cope with his possible panic of getting injured by the claws, he should be able to do it.
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Post by malikc6 on Dec 6, 2014 23:49:36 GMT 5
We are not meant for killing, but that does not mean we would lose against an animal that is outweighed by well over 100 lbs. "Oh well a human has no chance against this leopard." That was just horrible. In reality, the leopard would flee rather than fight a person, especially if the human was male. Maybe an ambush attack would bring a man down, and even then, I don't see the cat coming out untouched. Probably wouldn't be able to hunt very well anymore.
I mean just use your imagination people! I'm sure just about any of us can crush a clouded leopard in a violent encounter. It would be at us with claws and teeth, but remember. We are smarter, better fighters, creative, and most importantly in this fight, a huge weight advantage. And honestly, I think a person who would panic from here still has a decent chance here. The cat is simply too small.
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Post by malikc6 on Dec 7, 2014 0:00:58 GMT 5
No chance? Come on, humans are not THAT weak. For having no chance against an opponent a fraction of the own's size, one would have to be very pathetic. Exactly. A man would have to be VERY pathetic to have no chance against such a small predator. Very overweight man who can barely move or children can be killed by this clouded leopard, but not the average North American man. But really clouded leopard attacks rarely have happened, and the only fatal attacks are likely on children. If a clouded leopard was for whatever reason stalking a man and the man turned around and wasn't scared to fight back, it would just run away rather than risk fighting an opponent nearly three times (and in some cases 4) his weight. It doesn't really take a massive human to win this. An average joe could do it. |
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Post by 0ldgrizz on Dec 8, 2014 22:01:20 GMT 5
I would really hate to have a cat weighing anywhere from 44 to 70 pounds on me; especially if I am wearing very little clothing. Even should I manage to strangle him or bash him against a tree or something, by the time I'm done, unless I can get some medical attention, I could easily bleed to death.
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Post by theropod on Dec 8, 2014 22:55:30 GMT 5
That depends. I don’t think that cat could just rip out your intestines, or claw all the way through a human tigh or a reasonably muscular arm for example, but if it happens to get to the throat you have a serious health problem.
The cat lacks the size and strenght that it would need to easily deal fatal injuries in this way to a healthy adult human. Of course, most humans would panic and not fight back efficiently, eventually leading to the cat’s victory.
For its size, the clouded leopard is way better equipped as a killer, and yes, it does have impressive weaponery. But that also doesn’t negate that the human is 3 times the size (which will give it a certain degree of resilience, even if it will sustain fairly gruesome lacerations), way stronger and able to punch and kick effectively and with some strategy behind it. If the human doesn’t loose his head, it can take this cat, despite it’s own shortcomings in terms of weaponery and protection.
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Post by theropod on Dec 8, 2014 22:59:41 GMT 5
malikc6: isn’t the average North American man very overweight? I don’t think average humans (in terms of health) are a very good example to use, the average human has absolutely zero fighting ability, and many wouldn’t know how to defend against a domestic cat. 
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Post by creature386 on Dec 8, 2014 23:29:15 GMT 5
malikc6: isn’t the average North American man very overweight? Well, being overweight is not that terrible and BMI doesn't tell you if it is too much fat or simply a lot of muscle. Obese is more of a health risk, but there are less obese than not obese people in North America. |
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Post by theropod on Dec 9, 2014 0:18:46 GMT 5
Yup, but two thirds of the population are overweight/obese, so the average is probably overweight.
Of course that doesn’t account for body fat percentages. The term overweight merely deals with overall weight. But it’s difficult to get overweight, let alone obese, by building muscles.
Eitherway, I think the average North American (but that applies to pretty much every other region) isn’t a prime example of a healthy human operating at its full capabilities–not because that human may indeed be overweight but rather because it would attempt to run, or at best slap at the cat.
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Post by creature386 on Dec 9, 2014 1:22:08 GMT 5
But it’s difficult to get overweight, let alone obese, by building muscles. It is not that difficult because muscles weigh more than fat. There are some not that fat looking people that have a BMI of like 29. Whatsoever, malikc6 said "very" obese, so it could be that he means people with a BMI of over 30 and the average BMi of the three large countries in North America (USA, Mexico and Canada) is between 27 and 29. |
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Post by theropod on Dec 9, 2014 2:47:47 GMT 5
It’s difficult because building muscles requires exercise, while building fat just requires eating. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.
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Post by malikc6 on Dec 10, 2014 7:47:29 GMT 5
The average North American is overweight, but I don't think that would spell defeat for a man against the clouded leopard. By estimation, I'm 180lbs (really 177lbs) and exercise frequently and not in the least bit scrawny. Not bragging, but Vodmeister has seen me before (pictures on facebook), but I think I speak for most people when I say that me or them could win against this small predator. I'd put down my weight on it with my knees, or just stomp into the ground.
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Post by creature386 on Dec 10, 2014 20:30:18 GMT 5
How tall are you? I would like to know if you are an example of how BMI can be misleading when it comes to "healthy weights".
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Post by malikc6 on Dec 11, 2014 0:00:05 GMT 5
How tall are you? I would like to know if you are an example of how BMI can be misleading when it comes to "healthy weights". I am 5'11 177 lbs little body fat. |
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Post by creature386 on Dec 11, 2014 2:21:10 GMT 5
OK, I did the calculation you are in normal weight (24.7), so forget what I said. Anyway, I would give someone like you or BlackIce good chances in this matchup. Not so much myself, but I am not even an adult, so we can forget about this as well. |
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Post by malikc6 on Dec 11, 2014 2:28:11 GMT 5
How old are you creature? What do you think would happen if you were up against this thing?
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